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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2006, 07:21:00 PM »

QUOTE(Fuzzy @ Jun 19 2006, 12:35 PM) View Post
Thanks for the opinions guys. The real problem is, I've never even driven manual before and neither has anyone in my immediate family. I have no one to learn from!


ask the dealer you buy the car from, and if he wont do it, go to a different dealership
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2006, 07:18:00 AM »

Mike:
Don't worry about drifting, I am fully aware that this car is not race capable. In all seriousness I really am just interested. I know that all kind of crazy racing crap (power-shifting, drifting) is horrible for your car, and as is clear in this post, I don't have the money to put into that. I don't know if I'd go as far to support drifting as "lame," but I certainly wont be doing it anytime soon. I can see how you interpreted my post though.

Good to hear you thought the car performed pretty well. Yea, I know how with age what you want begins to shift, but everyone knows all young guys want a sporty car  biggrin.gif

I'm 17 right now, and no you're not coming off as an ass at all. I try to keep my share of bad driving to a minimum, but I admit I can't help but testing my hardcore 106HP engine in my Mom's Toyota Matrix from time to time  tongue.gif

Parents trust me though, and I like to think I trust myself. Plus there's no chance of them finding this thread  rolleyes.gif

Yaazz: Yea, my parents put their foot down on the manual. Looks like I'm getting automatic no matter what.

Rylinkus:
Still interested in those pictures.  cool.gif
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2006, 08:22:00 AM »

the mazda 3 isnt just some stupid compact. Ive seen two of them in rally races (obviously modified) but its still the same based 2.3L I-4 engine. If the auto is any as much fun as the stick was you will have a blast. That is the fastest little car I've ever driven and had a ton of fun bitch weaving on the expressway home from work in rush hour.
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Fuzzy

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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2006, 12:54:00 PM »

Yea, no problem man.

*sigh* Now I'm just going to spend all of my time thinking of when I'll get to drive manual  laugh.gif Always liked cars, just never looked into them much. Seems like a great hobby.

EDIT: By the way, I was reading some things online about driving manual and it sounds confusing as hell. Anyone know a tutorial that actually explains it well? I've just been picking up ones on Google.
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2006, 05:08:00 AM »

QUOTE(Fuzzy @ Jun 20 2006, 01:01 PM) View Post

Yea, no problem man.

*sigh* Now I'm just going to spend all of my time thinking of when I'll get to drive manual  laugh.gif Always liked cars, just never looked into them much. Seems like a great hobby.

EDIT: By the way, I was reading some things online about driving manual and it sounds confusing as hell. Anyone know a tutorial that actually explains it well? I've just been picking up ones on Google.



real simple,

clutch has a sweet spot between neutral and in gear, once you find it youll be golden

the only hard part is getting going, push the clutch push into first gear let off the clutch with your left foot as you slowly give it gas (this takes a lot of practice). but once you get that its just clutch shift gas. Theres fancier ways of doing it but you will learn with experience
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2006, 08:05:00 AM »

beige:
Cool, thanks for that little explanation.

lostboyz:
Yea, that's the part I'm confused about. In movies and television you're so used to seeing them power shift that you forget that that's not really how you should treat your transmission  blink.gif


For anyone who was interested, I was in my friends car, which had tiptronic, yesterday. Yea, you can go between drive and tiptronic while you're driving. It automatically shifts you from first to second gear, but everything else is pretty much like paddle shifting (minus the paddles  tongue.gif ). I also found out a friend of mine drives manual, now I just have to convince him to teach me.  unsure.gif
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2006, 12:11:00 PM »

Manual shifting is easy... my first two cars were automatics and when I got my WRX I wanted it to be a stick (an Automatic WRX is just WRONG).

When I bought it I'd only ever driving a stick twice before and that was YEARS before and only for shot stints just to try it. I bought the WRX and after driving it to work for a week it was like 2nd nature...

Going from a dead stop is the hardest part. once you're fully in 1st and moving shifting into 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc... is easy even for a first time driver.

If its the first time you've driving the car, before you do anything get yourself familiar with the car, make sure your seat, mirrors and HVAC are all adjusted comfortably, you don't want to be screwing with those while you drive. Turn on and off the headlights, high beams, turn signals, emergency lights wipers and washers just so you know where the switches are (they can differ from car to car). Make sure you can push the clutch all the way to the floor  and make sure you can easily reach all of the gears (sounds silly but some people have a hard time reaching 1st 3rd and 5th without leaning forward on certain cars).

For reference 1s and 2nd are ALWAYS pulling the shifter towards you and then up or down respectively. 3rd and 4th are straight up and down from neutral and 5th and 6th are always pushing the shifter away from you and up and down. Placement of the reverse gear can change from car to car. take a look at the shift knob or around the shifter and there should be a diagram explaining the layout. for a 5 speed it will usually looks like this:  |-|-|  With reverse in the lower right. All cars will feature some mechanism that will keep you from accidentally shifting into reverse once the car is moving (it's required by law).

It's important to note that the shifter is spring loaded and should return to center on it's own (like an analog stick) So if you're in 2nd gear after clutching in push the shifter up to take it out of gear, and loosen your grip to let it return to center then push straight up from there into 3rd. Too many first time drivers will push it right forgetting that the spring will do that for them and end up going from 2nd to 5th. It may sound like it takes a long time but it all happens quickly and you can do it in a split second once you have a feel for it.

The first time you try to drive....
-Push in the clutch all the way
-Put the shifter into first (pull it towards you then push up)
-If you've never driving the car don't touch the gas but slowly let out the clutch until you feel it grabbing (the RPMs will start to drop when it does, you should hear the engine slow down a bit too). Letting out the clutch will make the RPMs go down so you have to compensate by giving it some gas to keep the RPMs steady. From a dead stop you'll want to try and hold the RPMs between 1500 and 2000, it varies from car to car but that tends to be the range for most cars. It's best to practice in a large flat parking lot.

Since your goal is basically to let the clutch out completely while holding the RPMs steady. You'll be letting the clutch out while pushing down on the gas and visa versa; essentially your clutch foot and your gas foot work backwards from each other... when the clutch is pushed in completely your gas foot is off the pedal... as you let your clutch foot out your gas foot presses down further and further.  Once you've got a feel for it you'll shift without even thinking.

Part of the reason it's easier to shift once the car is moving is because you can pretty much do it without the use of the gas pedal at all, the engine will have enough momentum to pull up the RPMs as you let the clutch out. The faster you're going the easier it is to shift. That doesn't mean you shouldn't use the gas, but it's a lot easier to hold the RPMs steady when you have the help of the engine's momentum.

Always use the same foot (your right foot) for braking as you do for the gas (only fancy racers drive differently   wink.gif ) you should never need to gas and brake at the same time. When you're just slowing down you can leave it in gear, or downshift accordingly. If you're coming to a complete stop you should push the clutch in completely. Legally when you're at a Red light or stop sign the car needs to be in gear and your clutch pushed in completely while you're on the brake. though if I'm at a long light or stop and go traffic I'll often put the car in neutral and let the clutch out (lest I get cramps in my calf from holding the clutch in).

use your judgment for up-shifting and down shifting, listen to the engine and pay attention to the RPMs. In casual day to day driving I'll typically cruse between 2000 and 3000 RPMs I'll up-shift when I accelerate up between 3000 and 3500 I'll down shift when I drop between 1500 and 2000. If I'm accelerating hard (racing or getting up to speed for the highway) I'll go anywhere between 4000 and Red-line before shifting. Most cars however, will tell you NOT to accelerate past 3000RPMs until you've reach 1000 miles, this is to help break in the engine (ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS read your owners manual).

That's all I can think of for now... it's really simple once you get the hang of it. honestly it's just coordination your body isn't used to the synchronized movements, it's just like playing video games or learning to walk. you need to train your muscles to act in a certain way without even thinking about it. And if you drive often you'll get the hang of it really fast.
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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2006, 12:36:00 PM »

a few easy pointers or practicing things

The gear box in my explorer was a little stiff so I would just sit in my car with the clutch pushed down all the way cycling through the gears to get a really good feel for where they are, because sometimes you get nervous and trying to hard and can miss gears. So its good to know the pattern of your car pretty well

To really know the sweet spot on a car, go to a fairly steep hill with minimal traffic and just see if you can sit there only using the clutch and a little gas depending on how steep the hill is.

Another good one for a hill is to come to a complete stop and see if you can start moving again without rolling backwards too much. Its one of the most nervous things driving a manual when you are new is coming to a street light at the top of a steep hill (right near my house) and once you can do that its gravy from there.

*side note* did you sell your WRX yet twisted? Id love to buy it but Im slim on cash and have a need for speed so im going the sport bike route. What every college kid wants when they realize they cant afford anything faster.
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Fuzzy

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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2006, 02:01:00 PM »

Thanks for the description twisted, but like I said, pretty sure my parents wont let me drive manual. They sounded pretty adamant about it.
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2006, 09:58:00 AM »

That's too bad your parent wont let you...

I think when I mentioned getting a WRX to my father he said something to the effect of "you're not going to buy one with a Pussy-matic tranny like your last car are you?"  laugh.gif

Drying a stick makes you a much more versatile and astute driver IMO, but if the rent's wont let you get one they wont let you get one.

You could also make it into a cost issue, as automatics typically cost about $2K more... If you're paying for the car yourself maybe ask your 'rents to front the extra $2K since THEY want it to be an Auto.

...just food for thought.

And lostboyz no I haven't sold it yet... It's been pretty much sitting in my garage, though I did take it out last week to have the oil changed, alignment and rotate/balance the tires. I haven't done anything to try to sell it, as I've been pretty busy with other stuff.

The weather's been nice so I've been driving the Truck since it has a sun roof  cool.gif (funny how when the weather is shitty I drive the truck because I don't want to get the car dirty and when the weather is nice I drive the truck because it has the sun roof  laugh.gif ). That and I drive through some heavy construction on my way to work (been under construction for months now) and driving the truck down the bumpy un-paved section is fun... while driving the car through it makes me cry.
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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2006, 11:11:00 AM »

well if I win the lottery any time soon Ill be sure to give you a call

though I did see these awesome aftermarket sti's with esX badging on them on ebay. looked pretty propper

so depending on how much I win..... biggrin.gif ...ill let you know
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