Topic: Tray Sliding (Read 183 times)

ubernewb · « **Reply #30 on:** May 01, 2006, 03:45:00 PM »

so everyone here seems to have different opinions on what should be classified as drifting... that's cool. i guess i choose to follow the japanese in regards to what does and does not qualify as drifting, after all.. they did invent the sport and all.

but i did get a chuckle at how fwd is being seperated from rwd/awd because it's done differently.. if that was the case, then rwd and awd should be split as well since their techniques differ as well. but then we'd take it a step farther and start breaking up the rwd class as well.. because fr (front engine rear drive) and mr (mid engine rear drive) cars also handle differently due to weight distribution.. sorry, but that's just too much different shit to keep track of.

Rylinkus · « **Reply #31 on:** May 01, 2006, 03:46:00 PM »

QUOTE(ubernewb @ Apr 30 2006, 06:56 PM)

drifting isn't about simply giving your car gas and making it go sideways, it's about using whatever means necessary (including the e-brake) to push your car and your abilities to the very edge and holding them there. maintaining chaos...

If you wanted to push the car to it's limits youd be using grip instead of sliding on a track. Drifting is less of a racing technique and more of an artform. Like comparing Olympic Greco-Roman Wrestling to the WWE.

ubernewb · « **Reply #32 on:** May 01, 2006, 05:35:00 PM »

i would definately agree with most of that.. drifting is not racing. there are drift races, but it's not really about getting around the track in the shortest time.. most drift racing is more of a "keep up with me if you can" kinda thing.. you're still heavily scored on style, so it's not like you can just floor it and leave the guy in the dust. you have to look good doing it. usually the cars will alternate between the "cat" and "mouse" roles.. one leads, the other tries to keep up with/pass, then switch places and repeat.

but i will disagree about the grip vs. drift thing in regards to ability.. a real "drift" is hard to achieve. anyone and their grandmother can get the ass end to hang out, but getting it out there and still maintaining control over it thru numerous turns is incredibly difficult. a prime example of this would be in tandem or group drifting.. anyone can hang inches away from another car when the car is under control (grip) .. try doing that when only 2 of your tires are getting semi-traction at best. their ability to control that is absolutely amazing.

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 01, 2006, 07:12:00 PM »

QUOTE(ubernewb @ May 1 2006, 12:52 PM)

so everyone here seems to have different opinions on what should be classified as drifting... that's cool. i guess i choose to follow the japanese in regards to what does and does not qualify as drifting, after all.. they did invent the sport and all.

I wouldn't say they invented drifting... but I would say they were the ones to turn it into a sport. And who says all the Japanese are content with fwd being classified as drifters? I bet they're just as split.

Granulated · « **Reply #34 on:** May 02, 2006, 10:12:00 AM »

QUOTE(ubernewb @ May 1 2006, 04:52 PM)

but i did get a chuckle at how fwd is being seperated from rwd/awd because it's done differently.. if that was the case, then rwd and awd should be split as well since their techniques differ as well. but then we'd take it a step farther and start breaking up the rwd class as well.. because fr (front engine rear drive) and mr (mid engine rear drive) cars also handle differently due to weight distribution.. sorry, but that's just too much different shit to keep track of.

I apologize for the lack of clarity in my post. What I meant by "Whole different animal" wasn't actually technique, but more of a physical analysis of what's going on, which I kind of covered in my last sentence of that post.

lostboyz · « **Reply #35 on:** May 02, 2006, 01:59:00 PM »

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ May 1 2006, 04:53 PM)

If you wanted to push the car to it's limits youd be using grip instead of sliding on a track. Drifting is less of a racing technique and more of an artform. Like comparing Olympic Greco-Roman Wrestling to the WWE.

unless you are on dirt or ice where the ability to maintain traction and speed is impossible (i.e. sno drift and rally racing). The only real racing where drifting makes sense.

Dont get me wrong doing an awesome drift or accidently fishtailing around a corner but maintaining control gives me a hardon but otherwise it isnt a sport in my eyes. At least not a sport that can be judged

Rylinkus · « **Reply #36 on:** May 02, 2006, 02:52:00 PM »

QUOTE(lostboyz @ May 2 2006, 09:06 PM)

unless you are on dirt or ice where the ability to maintain traction and speed is impossible (i.e. sno drift and rally racing). The only real racing where drifting makes sense.

Dont get me wrong doing an awesome drift or accidently fishtailing around a corner but maintaining control gives me a hardon but otherwise it isnt a sport in my eyes. At least not a sport that can be judged

Rally racing is a whole nother thing. On a tarmac track that has decent traction sliding around is only going to hurt your times going around a track.

lostboyz · « **Reply #37 on:** May 02, 2006, 10:02:00 PM »

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ May 2 2006, 03:59 PM)

Rally racing is a whole nother thing. On a tarmac track that has decent traction sliding around is only going to hurt your times going around a track.

I 100% agree

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #38 on:** May 02, 2006, 11:39:00 PM »

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ May 2 2006, 11:59 AM)

Rally racing is a whole nother thing. On a tarmac track that has decent traction sliding around is only going to hurt your times going around a track.

I wish they covered Rally racing more in the States

. It's pretty much the only racing I watch and it's on the Speed channel, what... 2 months outta the year once a week? It's so lame. NASCAR is bullshit. Yeah, I said it.... bullshit.

lostboyz · « **Reply #39 on:** May 03, 2006, 12:45:00 PM »

seriously nascar sucks balls, i cant stand anything oval track racing. F1, motoGP, rally, autocross, LeMans series, anything is better and by far

I dont even get speed channel here, and since WRC dosent even come to the states go check out rally america

http://www.rally-america.com/

Ive been to a few in that series (worked them too) Its so much better up close

Rylinkus · « **Reply #40 on:** May 03, 2006, 03:58:00 PM »

Maine Forest Rally in July. I'm there.....

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 04, 2006, 12:48:00 AM »

QUOTE(lostboyz @ May 3 2006, 09:52 AM)

I dont even get speed channel here, and since WRC dosent even come to the states go check out rally america

http://www.rally-america.com/

Ive been to a few in that series (worked them too) Its so much better up close

I've watched the American races on Speed Channel once or twice... It's just not quite the same with only, what, 3 teams? (Ford, Mitz, & Subaru) lol ...at least it seems that way. The drivers for Citreon and Pugeot are amazing. Those companies make hideous cars (IMO anyways, haha), but their rally drivers are fantastic. Oh well... better than nothing I guess. Although Nevada seems to be the closest they get to my neck of the woods... or lack-there-of, haha.

lostboyz · « **Reply #42 on:** May 04, 2006, 01:05:00 AM »

well if you read the article on there they are adding a race this year in LA for the x-games so keep an eye on that

Yea rally-america dosent have all the racing sponsors but it really dosent matter when your watching

this year it was by far majority subaru's and most people arent professionally sponsored

this year had
6-7 WRX Sti's (05 and 06's)
2-3 Dodge SRT-4
a couple lancer evo's, and from there it was old VW's and other random cars

last year had a 72 corvette from this guy who owns a hotrod shop in st. louis

xboxhackern00b · « **Reply #43 on:** May 04, 2006, 11:55:00 AM »

i might have to check it out at Colorado

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #44 on:** May 05, 2006, 02:11:00 AM »

QUOTE(lostboyz @ May 3 2006, 10:12 PM)

well if you read the article on there they are adding a race this year in LA for the x-games so keep an eye on that

Figures that that is on the FRONT PAGE! lol No I didn't read it... I just skipped over the giant, red X and looked elsewhere. But I also found another one in July in West Covina which is about an hour.... well, realistically, with traffic, an hour and 45 min away from where I live. Might have ta check that one out.

But for some reason I don't see Rally racing as an X-games sport.... but I haven't watched x-games in prolly 5 or six years, so I really don't care, haha.

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