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[danielmid]

Ill go search for it now, but there was a vid of a ff actually drifting. No ebrake.

[xboxhackern00b]

ok i know ff stand for something front what is it?

[Granulated]

Front engine, Front wheel drive.

[ubernewb]

QUOTE(danielmid @ Apr 27 2006, 06:28 PM)

Ill go search for it now, but there was a vid of a ff actually drifting. No ebrake.

there's video of a white civic hatch drifting that's floating around on streetfire.net, but he's definately using the e-brake. any ff drifter has too..

[xboxhackern00b]

why would FF stand for Front Wheel Drive or Front engine?? just curious doesnt make sense to me


i also plan to try old skateboard decks instead of trays/cookie sheets

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(xboxhackern00b @ Apr 28 2006, 04:33 PM)

why would FF stand for Front Wheel Drive or Front engine?? just curious doesnt make sense to me

i assume it stands for both, Front Front

[lostboyz]

i was drifting in my dads mazda 3 2.4L but it was on a really nice dirt parking lot so it dosent really count.

[Owtlaw333]

QUOTE(ubernewb @ Apr 27 2006, 07:44 PM)

there's video of a white civic hatch drifting that's floating around on streetfire.net, but he's definately using the e-brake. any ff drifter has too..

Again, it's called power sliding... not drifting.


I don't care what video you find.... you can not drift with a FWD car. Drifting by definition (off the top of my head, lol) is losing traction of the rear wheels by over-throttling and oversteering the car so the rear slides from underneath causing the car to move sideways. It is impossible for a FWD to lose traction of the rear wheels causing them to move sideways without locking them up (which then voids the term "drifting" imo). Unless of course you are on a slippery surface such as ice (or dirt like lostboyz said), it's just not possible.

Drifting is a continuous motion that is controlled. A FWD car can not continuosly move sideways and be controlled. They slide... and sliding is not continuous; it slows down.

That's how I see it at least.

[ubernewb]

i'm not even gonna get into this argument.. because it's obvious that you don't know enough about the sport. here's a simple explanation for ya.. if he run's the car in the d1 circuit, he's a drifter.. plain and simple. if you watch the video, you can clearly see that the rear tires aren't locked up the entire time he's sliding.. he simply uses the e-brake to initiate the drift, which is common practice with even the FR drivers. it's called a braking drift.. but i guess that would make them non-drifters in your book right?

http://videos.street...48935556436.htm

[xboxhackern00b]

that's really impressive

[Owtlaw333]

QUOTE(ubernewb @ Apr 28 2006, 11:34 PM)

i'm not even gonna get into this argument.. because it's obvious that you don't know enough about the sport. here's a simple explanation for ya.. if he run's the car in the d1 circuit, he's a drifter.. plain and simple. if you watch the video, you can clearly see that the rear tires aren't locked up the entire time he's sliding.. he simply uses the e-brake to initiate the drift, which is common practice with even the FR drivers. it's called a braking drift.. but i guess that would make them non-drifters in your book right?

http://videos.street...48935556436.htm

You obviously didn't understand anything I said. No, I don't consider that video drifting. He is sliding. If you look, he pulls the brake, slides, decellerates, speeds back up, pulls the break, rinses & repeats. That's not drifting in my book, ur right. I completely understand that RWD cars use the e-brake.... but they move in a continuous motion without decellerating. It's fluid. That vidieo is not fluid; it's jerky. (Speed, slowdown, speed, slowdown) It's just slide after slide. Does it make it any less impressive? No... but not the same. But I guess ur opinion is higher than mine, so it doesn't matter .

[ubernewb]

what are you talking about? fr drifters slow down in tight turns as well.. maybe you should follow the sport a bit more before you try and judge it. i used to think the same way you do when i first started following it, but having participated in it for the last several months i've opened my mind a bit and learned a few more things..

drifting isn't about simply giving your car gas and making it go sideways, it's about using whatever means necessary (including the e-brake) to push your car and your abilities to the very edge and holding them there. maintaining chaos...

[Owtlaw333]

They slow down for strategic/manuvering purposes, not because of physics.

My views have nothing to do with "not following the sport enough", it's just differing opinions... it's something people have. Get over it, lol. It's like the arguments about which events belong in the olympics. It just happens

[_GhOsT_]

What Is Drifting?

  Basically, drifting is getting your car sideways down a road. It doesn't sound very hard does it? Sounds a lot like power sliding huh? Well it isn't. It's much more complex. Instead of a drifter causing a drift and then countering to straighten out, he will instead over-counter so his car goes into another drift. That is the reason many drifters do it in the mountains, because there are many sharp turns strung together. So in essence a good drifter has the ability to take five or six opposing turns without having traction at any point in time.

How is it Done?

There are two ways to start a drift. The first is the clutching technique. When approaching a turn the driver will push in the clutch and shift his car into second gear. Then rev the engine up to around 4000-5000 rpm (it all depends all the model of the car being used) and then slightly turn away from the turn and then cut back towards it hard while at the same time popping the clutch and causing the rear wheels to spin. At this point the drifter has a loss of traction and is beginning to slide around the curve. Now comes the hard part. You have to hold the drift until the next turn. To do this you must keep your foot on the accelerator while at the same time adjusting your car with the steering wheel so you don't spin out. It's not as easy as it sounds. Then as the drifter reaches the end of the turn and approaches the next turn which is in the opposite direction he must cut the  wheel in that direction and in some cases, if the previous drift was to slow and they start to regain traction, they must pop the clutch again to get the wheels spinning. And that is how you drift a rear wheel drive car.The second technique is used by a few drifters in rear wheel drives, but is the only way you can really drift a front wheel drive. You have to use the side brake. A front wheel drive can not whip it's tail out because the tires are being driven in the front as opposed to the rear. So when approaching a turn you pull the side brake to cause traction loss. And the rest is pretty much the same except that it's much harder to take more than one turn with a front wheel driver

http://streetracing....rift/drift1.htm

 

[Granulated]

I don't see why people try and group together FF "drifting" and AWD/RWD drifting.  

Can FF sliding/ass dragging be called drifting?  Maybe.  I really don't think it is.

It's a COMPLETELY different animal from RWD drifting...why group them together?

That video was lots of e-brake sliding.  I didn't see any drifting.

You stand on the throttle during a true drift, you probably whip around.  You stand on the throttle during a FF "drift", and it straightens you out.