Topic: First Car (Read 216 times)

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 03, 2006, 03:31:00 AM »

QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Mar 1 2006, 04:50 AM)

The Scirocco is an ok looking car its pretty cool. Dont know much about them though....

Maintennce won't be fun. Not bad cars per se, but the car is more than 20 years old so it is probably going to need alot of upkeep and outside of the old bugs, VW PARTS ARE NOT CHEAP!!!!!!!!

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 06, 2006, 01:00:00 AM »

My first car was a 96, black camry. And I must say, if ur looking for reliable, comfortable, and cheap upkeep, a backseat (good for HS), [i think] decent looks... I'd recommend it. Ur not even 16.... you don't need to waste ur money on expensive parts to "upgrade" a car like a civic just to get a wopping 200hp. Don't look at a car and think "what kind of upgrades can I get and make my ride cooler." Think, "what car will last me through (at least) most of highschool and still satisfy me." If you want a civic... get it. They're reliable, cheap, insurance is good, if something breaks it's relatively cheap to fix it no matter what it is. Don't be thinkin' about buying a shitty car for under a ggrand thinking u'll spend the extra cash on stupid shit like a muffler and intake and wheels and a wing and stickers (cuz everyone knows a sticker and a wing add 10-15hp)..... If ur budget is $4k... spend at least $3k. Don't short urself cuz u'll pay for it in the long run anyways... but with extra hassle. Any Jap car with <140k miles will do.

Modderxtrordanare · « **Reply #47 on:** March 06, 2006, 06:37:00 PM »

Did I ever say I planned on getting a car just to "supe" it up? No.
I said a civic station wagon was one I saw, who the hell in their right mind would put a wing on that? No one.
Then I said I saw a scirocco for cheap, and all of a sudden when I say cheap, I mean broken. Not at all. It runs like its new, not a single thing wrong with it.
Also my budget is no longer that much. So finding a car like that for 700 dollars is a freaking miricle. Sort-of.

So quit thinking that every single person who is a highschool student is just looking for a car with stickers giant wings and mufflers, whistle tips, rims, and all that jazz.

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 07, 2006, 02:34:00 PM »

So did you buy the Scirocco?

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 07, 2006, 06:01:00 PM »

QUOTE(Modderxtrordanare @ Mar 6 2006, 05:44 PM)

So quit thinking that every single person who is a highschool student is just looking for a car with stickers giant wings and mufflers, whistle tips, rims, and all that jazz.

Well when a kid that doesn't even have a license yet talks about getting a car to work on, 9 times outta 10 they're talkin' about what's stated above. If ur lookin' for cheap and reliable, get a japanese brand. I'm sure you can find like a '88 Accord for $500 easily.

Oh, and I was being sarcastic about the wing.... people DO actually think it does something on a FWD car, lol (better yet, one with 120hp).

Rylinkus · « **Reply #50 on:** March 07, 2006, 06:06:00 PM »

QUOTE(Owtlaw333 @ Mar 8 2006, 02:08 AM)

Oh, and I was being sarcastic about the wing.... people DO actually think it does something on a FWD car, lol (better yet, one with 120hp).

They do. They provide downforce.

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #51 on:** March 09, 2006, 04:18:00 AM »

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Mar 7 2006, 05:13 PM)

They do. They provide downforce.

Downforce is for keeping ur rear end planted at high speeds and on corners (for cars that are rediculously fast).... tell me how that would benefit a FWD car. More specifially, a Civic with <200hp.

Rylinkus · « **Reply #52 on:** March 09, 2006, 06:03:00 PM »

QUOTE(Owtlaw333 @ Mar 9 2006, 12:25 PM)

Downforce is for keeping ur rear end planted at high speeds and on corners (for cars that are rediculously fast).... tell me how that would benefit a FWD car. More specifially, a Civic with <200hp.

FWD cars have Rear wheels as well. Them staying under control is important. And a car with 120 hp can hit high speeds, and a wing will help anything moving fast. If you don't believe me, try and find a friend with a VW Corrado, or 2 friends with similar cars where one has a wing and one doesnt. Then go out on the highway. On the Corrado the wing is automatic. It comes pu at 45mph and goes down once you go back under 15 or so. But there's a button that will override it and keep it down. (Or maybe that's a bypass my bub did.) I assure you though, that at 70 mph on a highway with even the slightest bit of wind, that tiny stupid little wing provides VERY noticable stability as it helps push the VW down. Works the same way on Ford Probe GTs with and without a wing, tho not as much. Try it, youll probably be suprised. Though Id be more apt to think it would work with a factory wing thats actually designed at the proper angle to best utilize the car's lines and not some some generic metal wing mounted with lag bolts. Seriously, try and find a way to drive essentially identical cars with and without a wing @ 70, and Ill bet youll be suprised. I know the Corrado shocked the hell out of me. And while it may not make the car any faster I know it would make me far more confident driving fast.

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #53 on:** March 09, 2006, 10:41:00 PM »

Yeah, I see what ur saying and all, but I still would think it benefits a RWD a hell of alot more than a FWD car. A FWD car, similar to lugging a trailor (for one extreme), is basically being pulled so ur back end is more inclined to stay in which ever direction the front wheels are pointing. With a RWD car, the rear wheels are pushing the car, like a shopping cart (for another extreme), so the car is more inclined to go in the direction of those wheels; a straight line usually, but not if ur wheels get loose and cause fish-tailing (which isn't an issue with FWD). So with my view on things, the wing keeps that rear planted so it won't fish-tail. All at speeds above 40-50mph of course.

If anything a wing on a FWD is for a lazy driver that can't keep his steering wheel straight, lol. Whatever the case, I still don't think it's necessary on a Civic or the like... juss something to spend money on and obscure ur rear view. It also doesn't usually help the looks any.

ubernewb · « **Reply #54 on:** March 10, 2006, 12:50:00 AM »

QUOTE(Owtlaw333 @ Mar 10 2006, 06:48 AM)

Yeah, I see what ur saying and all, but I still would think it benefits a RWD a hell of alot more than a FWD car. A FWD car, similar to lugging a trailor (for one extreme), is basically being pulled so ur back end is more inclined to stay in which ever direction the front wheels are pointing. With a RWD car, the rear wheels are pushing the car, like a shopping cart (for another extreme), so the car is more inclined to go in the direction of those wheels; a straight line usually, but not if ur wheels get loose and cause fish-tailing (which isn't an issue with FWD). So with my view on things, the wing keeps that rear planted so it won't fish-tail. All at speeds above 40-50mph of course.

If anything a wing on a FWD is for a lazy driver that can't keep his steering wheel straight, lol. Whatever the case, I still don't think it's necessary on a Civic or the like... juss something to spend money on and obscure ur rear view. It also doesn't usually help the looks any.

so you have obviously never driven an FWD very fast. my crx would get an incredibly bouncy rear end at about 110mph.. there's nothing worse than hauling down a nice straight-away and having the rear end twitch on ya. after i installed the wing (a stock piece from a european siR) the rear end became a lot less twitchy and she honkered down into turns a lot better.

don't knock what you don't understand

lostboyz · « **Reply #55 on:** March 10, 2006, 01:01:00 AM »

its a stability device no matter how you put it, look at wrx sti's AWD monsters but all come stock with that big wing. thats no ricer car, it hauls ass on every terrain

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #56 on:** March 11, 2006, 02:24:00 AM »

QUOTE(ubernewb @ Mar 9 2006, 11:57 PM)

so you have obviously never driven an FWD very fast. my crx would get an incredibly bouncy rear end at about 110mph.. there's nothing worse than hauling down a nice straight-away and having the rear end twitch on ya. after i installed the wing (a stock piece from a european siR) the rear end became a lot less twitchy and she honkered down into turns a lot better.

don't knock what you don't understand

Um... I drove a '96 4-bangin' Camry for over 3 years and had that thing up to 115-120 a couple times; no wobbles, twitchin', whatever. I think the problem YOU had was either an imbalanced wheel or under-inflated tire. If ur tires aren't equally inflated, it'll cause the problem you had. Also an uneven road.

...Don't knock those you don't know.

ubernewb · « **Reply #57 on:** March 11, 2006, 03:37:00 AM »

QUOTE(Owtlaw333 @ Mar 11 2006, 10:31 AM)

Um... I drove a '96 4-bangin' Camry for over 3 years and had that thing up to 115-120 a couple times; no wobbles, twitchin', whatever. I think the problem YOU had was either an imbalanced wheel or under-inflated tire. If ur tires aren't equally inflated, it'll cause the problem you had. Also an uneven road.

...Don't knock those you don't know.

nope, brand new tires on brand new rims.. just mounted/balanced/aligned the day prior.. i'll chalk this one up to the different aerodynamics of the cars.

but anyways, bottom line .. FWD cars can see an improvement in handling with the use of a proper wing. i will agree with you that some apc hunk of shit purchased from your local rice shop doesn't hack it though..

if you really want to get into this debate and get a shitload of info, post a similar topic on either honda-tech.com or superhonda.com forums.. this has been beaten to death a million times over on both.

Rylinkus · « **Reply #58 on:** March 11, 2006, 06:26:00 PM »

If the logic was a tire imbalance a wing wouldnt make it go away. Plus the Corrado Ive experienced this in is very well maintained. Like it or not some cars benefit from the added downforce on the back end of it to help from keeping the back end from jumping around. FWD rally cars have wings. Im sure theyre not doing it for the added weight. Is it as crucial as on a RWD car, no? But then again most problems with the Rear end getting traction are during launch, when theres no downforce being applied by the wing unless in a wind tunnel. Beyond that its the same deal of wanting the back end to stay stable at high speeds.

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #59 on:** March 13, 2006, 02:47:00 AM »

Bleh... I juss had a whole 3-4 paragraph thing about suspension, rally cars, speed, and whatnot, but then XS crapped out on me... so I give up, haha.

The bottom line of my argument was that there are other things you can do to help whatever problem you have while driving 85 and below, and that I still think that the affects of a wing on a FWD are minimal for an average person (not a race car driver).

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