Topic: Mazda Rx-8 (Read 127 times)

WhatsArules? · « **Reply #15 on:** January 08, 2006, 08:43:00 PM »

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Jan 8 2006, 08:21 PM)

I wrote this big bitchy thread about the RX8 2 nights ago, but was drunk and couldnt manage hitting the reply button....

In any case this thread has sort of degraded IMO from the original post. I don't see anything that needs to be done to the hood and trunk on that car. The issues I see with it are as follows.
4 Doors: While more conveninent I suppose a true sports car does not need 4 doors as things like that add weight to the car and reduce the car's overall stiffness.
No TQ: Why they don't have a turbo version of this thing out yet I don't know. Seems like it needs one.

My biggest question would be reliability. You're attacking the quality of Ford when it owns Mazda.... And yes there are plenty of cars shared between the 2 companies and plenty of parts that find their way into both Mazdas and Fords. They are not totally seperate car companies with one's build quality and engineering not effecting the other.

Add to that that the RX8 is a rotary engine and they are to date, not known to last as long as the average piston engine. While I realize the Renesis engine has newer technology and improvements such as the upgrades to the apex seals, until I start seeing these things lasting 200K Im not sold. Frankly if everything could be designed in factory to never break there'd be no exploding pintos or crankwalk in DSMs.

And as far as it goes I'd consider a Ford Mustang along side an RX8. And I'd probably look at a Pontiac GTO. Not every domestic built car is horrible.

Bear in mind I'm not knocking the RX8. I like it quite a bit and merely wish it were a 2 door car.

Nice, you obvously know what your talking about, i totally frogot that they got them rotery engines going on now, but that shouldn't be to hard to learn.

krustytheclown I got no idea what your talking about with the GM refrence, sence we all know that ford owns lincon, and lincon is some of the best quality cars out there (IMO you just put oil in and they run), but nonetheless you do make some good points.

The pontiac GTO's now are kind of going down hill in terms of sell's right? Mabey a good time to get one for cheap

Rylinkus · « **Reply #16 on:** January 08, 2006, 09:07:00 PM »

The rotary engines are very impressive. Very effiecient, but lack in tq. All in all I've always really like Mazda's rotary engines and would love an older RX7. The issues have always been engine life on these cars. And though the Renesis is supposed to be a very well engineered rotary engine, I simply can't be sold until I see the things last longer then the older generations of rotaries. I'd still consider buying one and the biggest issue for me is the 4 door BS, as for me a true sports car doesnt have 4 doors. And If I want a 4 door car that's fun to drive Ill look to Audi A4s, Evos, and WRXs, as the AWD would be nice in winter round here anyway.

As for Lincoln build quality vs Ford it's mostly interior. It's the same engines from the Ford lines. In years past the 4.6L V8 from the Stang GT ended up in Lincoln continentals. And the Navigator is essentially one of the Ford SUVs, but I get them mixed up. Expedition? Excursion? Explorer? Interiors are different. Different seats, different plastics, blah blah, same truck.

The GTO was sort of a nightmare as it doesnt quite fit a buyer's market. Most people see it as a newer Camaro and think it's supposed to compete with Stang GTs and the like. But the price is high. And they are far more refined then my Camaro was on it's best day. Quieter inside. Nicer interior. Better shifter. Etc. Actually they compete more with BMWs and such, but what guy is gonna take a GTO over an M3 even if it is literally half the price and performs the same and is as nice. And they look kinda bland. I'd buy one if I had the money for a new car that I didnt want to drive year round. But most likely my next new cars gonna need to be drivable year round, so Ill be looking AWD. But the new ones are 400 hp. And 6 speeds. And they are actually a pleasure to drive and more drivable around town then the RX8 IMO. Torque matters, and RX8s dont have much. They ride like Hondas.

WhatsArules? · « **Reply #17 on:** January 09, 2006, 02:40:00 PM »

Ya, i only know a little about rotery engines, but there new, and you have to give them time to devolope, nonetheless, its the new ages, and you get what you pay for. Also winter driving (in Minnesota) would be totally awesome in a RX-8

I have a 88' Lincon town car, 305 EFI, rear whell, 200k on it, so far all I've had to replace was the water pump, and the alternator. Nothing eles to big, shocks, A/C, standard stuff, and this thing is still running good. Sure the engine measure out to be 4 feet long, and it looks like a boat, but its orignal luxery.

Ford is a company thats out to make money, if i have a 88 mustang, and a 88 continetal, i could swap the chassie out and nothing would change, why spend all that time and money makeing a machine to do the same thing, but different, when i could just make 1 machine that does all the same chassie's?

In the end, all cars are going to shit, except the imports, if you want a car that runs today, tommorow, and the next day, thats what your going to have to get.

Rylinkus · « **Reply #18 on:** January 09, 2006, 03:36:00 PM »

http://travel.howstu...tary-engine.htm
http://www.rotaryeng...llustrated.com/
http://www.mazda.com/history/rotary/

There's some reading on the rotary engine if anyone cares. And the rotary engine isnt exactly new. Wankel made the original in the 50s. And it's been used in countless Mazdas and there have been a few domestics that have tried the rotary.

http://www.idavette.net/prototyp.htm

VerbalVenom · « **Reply #19 on:** January 09, 2006, 09:50:00 PM »

One thing about the wankel engine is that it's only used by Mazda. There hasn't been any attempt to advance the engine whatsoever. It's still a rotary. With that being said you can basically get the same problems with the rx-8 with the rx-7. One major problem with rotaries is that they flood. Also if the engine has seen around 130k or 150k, chances are it's been rebuilt. Rotaries also waste alot of gas. During the cycle the wankel engine doesn't burn gas as efficiently as a piston engine, so you'll be losing gas mileage. I have a friend who has an 89 S5 GTU and it always backfires. That's the nature of the rotary engine. Please understand what you're getting yourself into. This is NOT a regular engine. Typical engines go through the 4 step cycle of the piston. This uses 3 cycles per revolution, so they consider the engine that of a V-6 piston engine. If I were you I'd go with probably a 3rd gen rx-7. If you can't find that try to find an 89-92 turbo 2. Something else with that engine is if (i think) the rotary seals break, you must replace the entire assembly. Many people love the rx series, but it does cost money to maintain. Maybe now you won't get problems but later down the line it's almost gauranteed that you will. One more thing- don't be fooled by them. They're extremely fast. If you get a chance look up the 13b Cosmo and the 20b engine. 4 rotor racing engine.

Granulated · « **Reply #20 on:** January 11, 2006, 04:46:00 AM »

QUOTE(WhatsArules? @ Jan 9 2006, 03:47 PM)

Ya, i only know a little about rotery engines, but there new, and you have to give them time to devolope, nonetheless, its the new ages, and you get what you pay for. Also winter driving (in Minnesota) would be totally awesome in a RX-8

I have a 88' Lincon town car, 305 EFI, rear whell, 200k on it, so far all I've had to replace was the water pump, and the alternator. Nothing eles to big, shocks, A/C, standard stuff, and this thing is still running good. Sure the engine measure out to be 4 feet long, and it looks like a boat, but its orignal luxery.

Ford is a company thats out to make money, if i have a 88 mustang, and a 88 continetal, i could swap the chassie out and nothing would change, why spend all that time and money makeing a machine to do the same thing, but different, when i could just make 1 machine that does all the same chassie's?

In the end, all cars are going to shit, except the imports, if you want a car that runs today, tommorow, and the next day, thats what your going to have to get.

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Insults are not needed.

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 13, 2006, 02:31:00 AM »

QUOTE(WhatsArules? @ Jan 5 2006, 04:44 AM)

Well, as a side time project (when i get money), I'm thinking of spruceing up a Mazda RX-8, new hood, new trunk, prolly keeping the body the same, some small interor mods, and some under the hood mods.

But im wondering is whats wrong with the mazda stright from the factory?

Anyone got any pics of some?

The same problem with all Mazdas. They use so many connecters on their damn electrical systems that the slightest bit of dust can send the stupid things haywire. Usually more evident as the car gets older though. If you are just looking for the next 4-5 years, it would be a great choice. Gas mileage isn't the greatest but the Renesis is certainly an improvement over the 13B Rotary in that department.

Rylinkus · « **Reply #22 on:** January 13, 2006, 07:54:00 PM »

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Jan 13 2006, 10:38 AM)

The same problem with all Mazdas. They use so many connecters on their damn electrical systems that the slightest bit of dust can send the stupid things haywire. Usually more evident as the car gets older though. If you are just looking for the next 4-5 years, it would be a great choice. Gas mileage isn't the greatest but the Renesis is certainly an improvement over the 13B Rotary in that department.

And add to that the vacuum lines in some Mazda engines. I know the FD TTs are nightmares and Im sure Skaterphreak can verify that there's far more lines under the hood of his Probe GT then is necessary. It just adds another obnoxious factor to deal with when doing upgrades/repairs/etc.

And youve got to love a car that gets better gas mileage @ high RPMS as thats where the engine is at it's most efficient levels. So if you want to get decent gas mileage redline the piss out of it.

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 14, 2006, 01:38:00 PM »

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Jan 14 2006, 04:01 AM)

And add to that the vacuum lines in some Mazda engines. I know the FD TTs are nightmares and Im sure Skaterphreak can verify that there's far more lines under the hood of his Probe GT then is necessary. It just adds another obnoxious factor to deal with when doing upgrades/repairs/etc.

And youve got to love a car that gets better gas mileage @ high RPMS as thats where the engine is at it's most efficient levels. So if you want to get decent gas mileage redline the piss out of it.

Yes, I forgot to add that the high pressure fuel systems that some engines use (ie 13B rotary) are murder on hoses, ect. I think I have replaced just about every line/hose in my RX-7.

WhatsArules? · « **Reply #24 on:** January 17, 2006, 04:18:00 PM »

Haha, ya for real, i like the body style of the mazda's kinda reminds me of the Viper

Anyway, thank you guys for helping me, which is why i made this thread.

We should choose a different car to bash, like the ford taures

Rylinkus · « **Reply #25 on:** January 17, 2006, 05:08:00 PM »

QUOTE(WhatsArules? @ Jan 18 2006, 12:25 AM)

We should choose a different car to bash, like the ford taures

I owned one. Honestly there are far worse cars out there. The older ones from the early 90s were ok.

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 05, 2006, 02:57:00 AM »

QUOTE(WhatsArules? @ Jan 18 2006, 12:25 AM)

Haha, ya for real, i like the body style of the mazda's kinda reminds me of the Viper

Anyway, thank you guys for helping me, which is why i made this thread.

We should choose a different car to bash, like the ford taures

Uh, maybe on the 3rd Gen RX-7s which are far fewer in number but the 1st and 2nd Gens sure don't look like a Viper. BTW Rylinkus, if you want to buy my rex, just let me know.

Himura · « **Reply #27 on:** February 21, 2006, 02:35:00 PM »

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Feb 5 2006, 02:04 AM)

Uh, maybe on the 3rd Gen RX-7s which are far fewer in number but the 1st and 2nd Gens sure don't look like a Viper. BTW Rylinkus, if you want to buy my rex, just let me know.

Sorry to bring up a dying thread but, the FDs remind me more of vettes than anything else.

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 24, 2006, 02:56:00 AM »

QUOTE(Himura @ Feb 21 2006, 10:42 PM)

Sorry to bring up a dying thread but, the FDs remind me more of vettes than anything else.

Yeah, the 3rd gens do remind me a bit of the newer Vette's but then again, the 3rd gens were out of production (at least here in the US) long before the latest body style vette's. So if anything you could say that the latest vette's look like the 3rd gen RX-7s.

Himura · « **Reply #29 on:** February 24, 2006, 01:30:00 PM »

haha.very true

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