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« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2005, 04:35:00 PM »

QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 12:41 AM)
Spinning your tyres heats up the clutch causing more wear, therefore hurting it.
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« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2005, 05:16:00 PM »

QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 01:03 AM)

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« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2005, 05:23:00 PM »

QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 01:03 AM)
No those rims aent stock sized but with a lower profile tyre the rolling radius is within 0.1% of the stock sized rims and tyres. Weight wise, they are lighter. So surely that improves performance?
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« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2005, 05:29:00 PM »

QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 01:35 AM)
Either way, you are focusing on the wrong part of the conversation
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« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2005, 05:34:00 PM »

Since you wont post the car's specs I will. It's Phil Fletcher's car. Here's the amazing mod list....

Engine  blitz sus power induction system
cobra sport stainless steel exhaust
 
Wheels  18" chrome alloys and spinners  
Suspension  lowered 35mm on p.i. springs
 
Bodywork  full respray in gemini flip paint
veilside bodykit
lambo doors
lexus rear clusters blended into bodywork
 
Interior  recaro sports seats
sparco sports pedals
sparco 3 point harnesses  
ICE  dvd tv cd all in one entertainment system headunit
3x 1200 watt sony amps
2x 12" 1200 watt subs sony
2x 10" 1000 watt subs sony
1x 15" 1400 watt sub sony
2x sony 6x9s
odyssey 1200 watt dry cell battery
cfq 5x graphic equaliser  


Celicas come stock with 18 inch rims??? Really?
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« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2005, 05:40:00 PM »

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 8 2005, 01:40 AM)
No I don't think I am. You asked if anyone would consider it rice. I answered. I consider rice any mod that detracts from performance. Heavier rim are going to do that. You can't make me think that those spinners are the "Fast and Furious light weight spinnerZ"...... Sorry.
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« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2005, 05:43:00 PM »

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 8 2005, 01:40 AM)
No I don't think I am. You asked if anyone would consider it rice. I answered. I consider rice any mod that detracts from performance. Heavier rim are going to do that. You can't make me think that those spinners are the "Fast and Furious light weight spinnerZ"...... Sorry.
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« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2005, 05:55:00 PM »

QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 01:59 AM)
Nothing wrong with FWD cars. Seen some 10sec 1/4 mile cars which are FWD.
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« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2005, 06:26:00 PM »

**making my way around the forums i dont usually frequent**

re: the celica, id have to see the dyno specs to determine whether id classify it rice or not, its not too over the top so i could go either way

BTW, about the 18in rims, ive been told a shorter, stiffer sidewall on the tires (big rims = skinny tires) can improve cornering, which kinda makes sense to me, but it could just be all ricer propaganda, ive never looked much into it
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« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2005, 06:45:00 PM »

QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 01:49 AM)
I have NEVER said they are stock rims! I have said that they are the same rolling radius, as they are the same size rims as mine and I know my rims are the same rolling radius now as they were when they had 14" rims and 60 profile tyres.
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« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2005, 07:16:00 PM »

I didnt answer your ricer question, ok here I go.

I think rice is any pointless or tasteless mod. I could rattle off examples, but I think its a moot point. To me doing body work to a car that has nothing under the hood is pointless. I think it's lame to put thousands into a car to make it a show quality car when it's a complete piece of shit car to start with. Oohhh your neon is "show quality"? It's still a fucking neon. I'm sorry, but we all know it's the truth.

And I don't even know why you guys keep acting like all I care about is straight line acceleration. I've never said that. You keep talking about how irrelevant a 12 second car is. A car with a high top speed but no acceleration is even more pointless. Youre right, going 150 is stupid. But if my car accelerates I can get to 65 pretty damn fast. But I also want a car that handles. And you have no idea what I consider a performance car. It's certainly not a FWD Celica with a body kit a spinners. I respect your car because at least it's a well balanced mid engine RWD car. Pain in the ass to work on, but a fun car to drive. And THAT's whats important to me. I want a smile on my face when Im behind the wheel. And my Camaro does that. My Probe did with some mods. Ive been in a Miata that did. VW Corrado. Chevy Sprint Turbo. Each for different reasons. But fun is fun and I like enjoying a drive.
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« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2005, 07:19:00 PM »

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BTW, about the 18in rims, ive been told a shorter, stiffer sidewall on the tires (big rims = skinny tires) can improve cornering, which kinda makes sense to me, but it could just be all ricer propaganda, ive never looked much into it

You're absolutely right, the more rubber on the sidewall gives the car more movement on a Z axis (as little as it is) this keeps the bottom, tread, of the tire on the ground and less chance for it to slide when going around corners, ending up in more traction which is MUCH better when taking a corner faster than you should.

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you wont be doing 170 on the roads

How about 155  rolleyes.gif

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but it wont be able to go to the shops to get the weekly shopping without costing the earth to get there or may not even be road legal.

I assume you mean gas, fact is you can build a really fast car that doesnt use a whole lot of gas (I'm not talking 10 sec in the 1/4 mile, and I dont mean you get 35-40 MPG). As for street legal, I've seen 1000+ hp cars rolling down the street. I cant speak for the UK, but I've never seen a car thats not street legal because it has to much power.

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But with anything, the driver has alot to do with it too, as does the engine position, drive type, everything. Not as simple as FWD, RWD, 4WD

It can be as simple as that, a AWD or RWD will have an advantage over a FWD almost any day. That ISNT to say that a FWD can't run 12s or even 10s, I've seen them at the local drag strip. The fact is though you get better weight distribution from a RWD or a AWD car. More weight in the back = more force (downward force) on the rear tires = better traction = less tire-spinning = better times.

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if taken too fast the tyre can come off the rim easier

Which is why I dont drive cars with the whole 1in profile tire. My car has relatively low profile tires (the stock SS ones are pretty small) and I havent measured but its at least 2 in, and I think more. The whole 1in profile thing just serves no purpose.
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« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2005, 07:29:00 PM »

just to clarify an earlier mistake there richmr2, the integra type r does not use a 1.6L engine. the type r comes with a b18c5, which is a 1.8L engine.

and they are most certainly not 13 second cars in their stock form.. high 14's more likely.. but they can definately be made to go a lot faster than that.





as for rice, like i said earlier... form before function equals rice in my book. if it serves no real world purpose other than trying to impress little girls i think it's a waste of money.
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« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2005, 08:01:00 PM »

There is a difference in a fast car and a quick car. Fast is top end, quick is low 0-60 times. A good car is one with a high top end and a low 0-60 <- thats how it works in drag racing anyway.

There are many set ups to different racing types. Drag racing is the weakest type of racing in my opinion, all its concerned with is a moderate top end and a low 0-60. Auto cross shows what a real car is. You have to have decent acceleration with little to no wheel spin, great handeling, and multiple other things.

Crome rims are way heavier than aluminum rims. The bigger the foot print, the more traction you will have during take off. The reason people have low profile tires (and actually have a reason for them) is because they can get the car a tad lower and still have a nice wheel size.

If I could choose a car, I would get either a R-R or F-R or AWD car. FF is just not a good car for performance.
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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2005, 09:40:00 AM »

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My street legal thing was saying why bother with 1000+ HP for a street legal car? You want a car that powerful then build a drag car for drag not for popping to the shops.

So you cant build one that does both? I've been looking for a classic Camaro or an old Chevelle to a huge engine rebuild on. Run it on pump gas, but I would race it on Friday nights at the local strip. Theres not this clear line in between the two where you can have a car that does both.
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