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[nemt]

A lot of Dodge cars use Japanese parts...the Stealth is more or less a 3000GT.

[topgun1]

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Well of course spoonz, fords suck major ass, im talking about dodge/Plymouth and GM cars.

i second that dodge rules!

P.S.sp00nz were did you get you sig its cool.

[drink or die]

QUOTE(..[[ModBoxMaster]].. @ Dec 26 2004, 09:27 AM)

Shut up. American cars are built to last, not to break down in 2 years like asian cars.

[jesterrace777]

I concur.  If we are talking strict durability here, the asian cars win.  That isn't to say there aren't some well put together american vehicles but on average they don't do as well.  As mentioned above, if all you are concerned about is raw hp on the dragstrip then an American vehicle is the only way to go.

[risingsun76]

I'm sorry for being arrogant but I have to set everyone whos ignorant straight.  First off, Japan makes better cars hands down than America which in-cludes the highly touted Skyline.  Theres a reason its in video games and movies people.  I don't want to go into great detail but the technology in that car and the bulletproof inline 6 engine is what makes it so special.  You can easily get 1000hp out of that RB26 engine.  Its computer controlled AWD torque system allows it to be thrown into corners at extreme speeds without much fanfare.  It is supposed to be quite easy to drive fast and crazy because it allows for it.  Its plain and simple a badass car.  It wouldn't smoke a z06 stock but everyone knows japan laws in recent years kept horsepower at 276bhp.  Get it out of the showroom and do a little laptop tuning and you have a supercar.


Just to throw another fact your way.

  Guess what GM fans....that company is going bankrupt because it makes shitty cars and is poorly managed.  Toyota will become the #1 automaker in this world by then end of 08.  And they make a badass car too...its called the SUPRA.

[thewickedjester]

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Ha, give me a z06, I'll tell ya how fast it gets to 100

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Theres a reason its in video games and movies people.

Yeah, because it caters to the ricer crowd that so devoutly follows the NFS:Underground series and what not. Its not the 'ultimate' car, you think video game developers REALLY know cars that well? Granted, they have people telling them how the cars should act and perform but what makes you think the programmers KNOW what these cars are like?

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Guess what GM fans....that company is going bankrupt because it makes shitty cars and is poorly managed. Toyota will become the #1 automaker in this world by then end of 08. And they make a badass car too...its called the SUPRA. tongue.gif

Can I please see some evidence? I really like GM, and I still see their dealerships selling hard, so I'm not shure where you get this info, and I would greatly appreciate some clarification  

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You can easily get 1000hp out of that RB26 engine

Carification time, *If you have the money* you can easily get 1khp out of that RB26 engine.

Its not like you slap on a cold air kit and you get massive HP from, oh, but that 3 foot carbon fiber wing on back 'll help  

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P0wned several Vettes in my city (04 Sube STi) ...haven't gone at it with a Z06 Yet wink.gif

Yeah, I've beat Vettes with my Impala, which is a 4 door, bigass sedan, with the vettes predecesor (sp) of a motor (the LT1), and the common denominator is they cant drive (the drivers of the Vettes), they dont pre load the chasis, and they simply think a clutch dump will beat me, and hell, i've got a 4 speed auto  

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I concur. If we are talking strict durability here, the asian cars win.

I'll give that to them, though if you properly take care of a car (American) it'll last just as long. Granted, that proper care does require a bit more work, but to me, personally, its worth it.

Alright, I could keep going, but lets get back on topic so this doesnt turn into another flame thread...

As for the original topic: I'd take the z06, its not that I dislike the Skylines, on the small list of 'imports' I wouldnt mind owning its pretty high up there. Needless to say the ammount of money I would have to spend to get it to a vette-ass-kicking-stage would make me feel like a jackass every time I got into the car.

And to clarify, I dont hate Japanese cars, I dont particularly like them, and will most likely never own one, but I have to give them some credit, they build decent cars and theres nothing wrong with them, just my personal taste.

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Holy shit, way to go on reviving a dead thread... GG... I was wondering why I'd not seen it before  

[Rylinkus]

QUOTE(risingsun76 @ May 21 2006, 12:09 PM)

I'm sorry for being arrogant but I have to set everyone whos ignorant straight.  First off, Japan makes better cars hands down than America which in-cludes the highly touted Skyline.  Theres a reason its in video games and movies people.  I don't want to go into great detail but the technology in that car and the bulletproof inline 6 engine is what makes it so special.  You can easily get 1000hp out of that RB26 engine.  Its computer controlled AWD torque system allows it to be thrown into corners at extreme speeds without much fanfare.  It is supposed to be quite easy to drive fast and crazy because it allows for it.  Its plain and simple a badass car.  It wouldn't smoke a z06 stock but everyone knows japan laws in recent years kept horsepower at 276bhp.  Get it out of the showroom and do a little laptop tuning and you have a supercar.
Just to throw another fact your way.

  Guess what GM fans....that company is going bankrupt because it makes shitty cars and is poorly managed.  Toyota will become the #1 automaker in this world by then end of 08.  And they make a badass car too...its called the SUPRA.

Poorl;y managed does not necessarily equate to poor cars. And for the most part I agree that GM needs some work. But I still think the Z06 is a VERY worthy car.

And since they're in video and movies they're good cars? Didn't the 2 Fast 2 Furious feature a FWD Eclipse Syder and a FWD Lancer? And can't you find those in video games? Wow, maybe the guy down the street owns a super car after all.....

Im sure this will all be taken as prattle from a GM fanboy.

[jesterrace777]

Not necessarily.  As for GM going bankrupt?  Not likely.  It has a gross national income that is bigger than some countries.  I believe it ranked within the top 10 of world wide businesses with the most income (this was within the last year or two).  Sure they could use improvements as just about any car could, but that doesn't mean that they are going bankrupt.  I too would like to see some proof of that as they are such a huge multinational corporation with a vast financial wealth.

[Owtlaw333]

QUOTE(thewickedjester @ May 21 2006, 03:48 AM)

Can I please see some evidence? I really like GM, and I still see their dealerships selling hard, so I'm not shure where you get this info, and I would greatly appreciate some clarification  

Pick up a news paper GM isn't fairing too well these days. While I would like to see them pull through (and I'm sure they will), it's not unfathemable that they could file for bankruptcy. They've made really shitty decisions the past 10 years with car designs and they're paying for it now. They're now taking action but it's possible that it's too late for any plans they may have in store. Just search on google or something and read all about it. It shouldn't be hard to find.

On the topic of American vs Jap in quality. Jap no question.

On the topic of Z06 vs Skyline; Z06. I haven't been a fan of the vettes at all. Anything made after the 60's is just shit. But their new design was beautifully done. The hard edges and exposed headlights really helped. They also have a fantastic choice of colors now. All the metallic colors are really nice. The Skyline isn't worth the trouble and money it takes to get it. Unless I had a rediculous amount of money to spend and an already nice collection of cars, I doubt I'd get one. But I am a fan of 'em.

[thewickedjester]

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Pick up a news paper wink.gif GM isn't fairing too well these days. While I would like to see them pull through (and I'm sure they will), it's not unfathemable that they could file for bankruptcy. They've made really shitty decisions the past 10 years with car designs and they're paying for it now. They're now taking action but it's possible that it's too late for any plans they may have in store. Just search on google or something and read all about it. It shouldn't be hard to find.

Ok, what _I_ see in GM, Ford, all the American car companies is normality. Its all a part of the standard business cycle. We have reached (at least in automotive terms) the peak of the cycle and can no longer increase prices as demand for the vehicles has fallen off, therefore they are headed into the recession stage, they are laying off workers to cut costs, thereby giving them the ability to lower prices, this will hopefully pull them out of the recession/depression stage and put them back into the expansionary stage.

As for the "Well they make shitty cars" argument. Every American made car that anyone I know owns, breaks down. But is that because they are shitty? Or is it because the people who own them dont properlly maintain them? I'm going to go with the second, and heres why, I own a 96 Impala SS, its a 10 year old car, added onto that they were riddeled with problems as the cars themselves were thrown together rather quickly as it was a sort of 'specialty car' that Chevy built. I've owned the car a year and a half, and have had no problems whatsoever with it. The guy that owned it before me didnt have any major problems with it. Whats my secret for keeping my 'shitty car' running good? I change the fluids, make sure I always keep an eye on the guages so that I know whats going on, etc etc. If a vehicle is properly maintained, it'll last for a looooong time, American made or not.

[twistedsymphony]

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...Moreover, until last year, when GM and the union reached a deal for retirees to cover co-payments and deductibles, GM paid all of retirees' health- care expenses.
 
With benefits like these, it is no wonder that GM was once known as "Generous Motors."
 
But these days, health-care costs are causing enormous financial headaches for the Big Three. GM has an unfunded liability worth $85 billion in today's money to cover future health-care costs for workers and retirees. That is roughly seven to eight times the market value of the whole company.
 
General Motors estimates health- care costs add about $1,500 to the cost of each vehicle it makes in the United States. Chrysler claims a health-care cost of $1,400 per vehicle. Ford says its burden is $1,100.
 
GM's pension plan has also been a drain. Since 1992, GM has plowed $56 billion in stock and cash into it to keep it funded. It is hoping to reduce its burden by offering all its 105,000 UAW workers buyout packages worth up to $140,000. It is still unclear how many plan to accept the offers....

THAT is what's killing GM (as well as Ford and Crystler, but not as bad)... not much to do with how well their cars are selling (Though the +$1500 isn't helping)...

[Owtlaw333]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ May 22 2006, 05:13 AM)

3. GM screwed themselves with their pension plans.

I meant to mention that one.

The thing with the hybrids, though, is that they aren't really selling to those who are trying to save gas. The extra cost it takes to get a hybrid doesn't even pay itself off for years. The people who buy hybrids are usually doing it to be eco-friendly. The new trend (or maybe more than a trend) is to be "green". Everything is green now. We've got the e-85 gas now, GM has even got the new engines to use it to take advantage of the green market. Global warming and the environment is a big thing right now. That's why Hybrids are so popular. Not so much the gas thing.

[thewickedjester]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ May 22 2006, 10:13 AM)

GM is in trouble for a few reasons...

(^ Shortened in the interest of space)

Yeah, I'll give ya that one. GM is in trouble I suppose.... I'm sure they will pull out of it somehow though, and if they arent first as an automaker, it doesnt neccissarily mean a downfall entirely... Till I see a foreign car with a V-8 and the size I want though, I'll stick with my lumbering giants of American cars, hehe.

[Owtlaw333]

QUOTE(thewickedjester @ May 22 2006, 03:52 PM)

Till I see a foreign car with a V-8 and the size I want though, I'll stick with my lumbering giants of American cars, hehe.

If ur talkin' about things like an Expedition or Yukon XL, I doubt that'll ever happen, lol. Unless Toyota decides to make an America only vehicle (since they've got a factory in the making here... on their way to be the Dell of cars).

[jesterrace777]

To the folks saying GM could easily be bankrupt, I wouldn't be so sure.  They may be hurting but it will take alot more than that to make them actually go under.  The other thing that people haven't pointed out yet is the example of the American Government bailing out Chrysler in the 1980s.  The government didn't want to see one of the predominant american auto manufacturers go under so they bailed them out.  If that was their response to Chrysler, can you imagine what it would be for GM.  No way in hell they would let them go under.