Topic: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6? (Read 247 times)

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #60 on:** June 05, 2006, 02:58:00 AM »

QUOTE(leijae @ Jun 4 2006, 05:04 PM)

look the fact of the matter is that an r34 is a great car because there aren't many of them here... the z06 is fast and cheaper true. However, the Infiniti R35 Skyline GTR is gonna kick the z06's ass. 3.5VQ with twin turbo, AWD, Brembo breaks, TWIN TURBO.... did i mention a twin turbo'd 3.5v6 which is already in the g35/350z with 300hp?

Huh? I thought they were toning down the american Skyline. Either way, I don't care for the looks. Looks more like a wanabe luxury sedan then a perfect tuned sports machine. Just compare the R32, R33 and R34 GTR side by side and it makes you want to cry. I wish we weren't such a "oh that's so 5 minutes ago" society or we might see some decent designs in production for a few more years. Looks like the new one's body style is nothing more than a rip off of the 350Z body style with a few slight alterations.

http://paultan.org/a...ine-gt-r-proto/

twistedsymphony · « **Reply #61 on:** June 05, 2006, 07:31:00 AM »

While I've got big love for the Skyline (just look at my sig) it doesn't hold a candle performance wise to the Z06...

My father owned a last gen Z06 and printed right on the side behind the front wheels was "405HP" that's right 405 horsepower...

The thing is unbelievably fast and quite nimble for an american car too. Not to mention the transmission is mounted BEHIND the driver for better weight distribution. The newer Z06s even blow away that one...

Having driven my fathers Z06 and test driven a G35 and a 350Z even if the skyline is substantially faster then the G35/Z it sill wont touch the Z06... All Wheel drive is nice but all it will do is slow it down more... more weight on the car and more weight in the drive train.

Actually I was incredibly disappointed with the G35, it just felt slow. while it's theoretical performance is better then my WRX... the WRX still felt faster and the only car I've ever driven that was faster then the Z06 was my father highly modified Supra (made about ~580hp at the wheels) Even then it was a very close call between those two.

I'd still take the Skyline over the Z06 any day... it's such a rare and cool looking car. Not to mention the fit and finish on the Z06 (as with most american, particularly GM cars) was just total JUNK. The bezel around the radio didn't fit right, gaps between body panels were large and inconsistent. Leaving the sun visor down on a hot day melted the seems. Whenever you closed the door it felt like you were going to pull off the interior door panel; not to mention it had a dozen squeaks and rattles right from the factory... it just didn't feel like a quality vehicle... most Nissans on the other hand...

lostboyz · « **Reply #62 on:** June 05, 2006, 10:07:00 AM »

AWD isnt always a good thing and really depends on what your trying to achieve with it. I just watched an episode of top gear where they run the new 911 RWD and 911 AWD around the same autocross track and compare them, and AWD ended up being slower and bulkier through corners then the RWD

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #63 on:** June 05, 2006, 11:59:00 AM »

That's not surprising. As Rylinkus is fond of saying AWD suffer from high drivetrain losses. It depends on what you are planning on using the car for, if you are looking for a quarter mile or a paved race track car, then the AWD IS NOT your best option. However, if you are looking for a "stop light to stop light" racer or a rally vehicle then AWD is the way to go.

speed_racer88 · « **Reply #64 on:** June 05, 2006, 04:00:00 PM »

OR you can buy a RWD skyline, all the great looks in a faster bundle. My friend had a RWD skyline and it was very fast, until it got wrapped around a pole.... But even after the left side was crushed in so far that it was half a foot away from the drivers head my friend still drove the car in to the trailer and into his garage.

thewickedjester · « **Reply #65 on:** June 05, 2006, 04:57:00 PM »

I have to say, I saw some pictures of the car and some specs somewhere on TV and it looked COOL. I'd still go with the Z06, but I have to give credit where credits due, the new Skyline is pretty damn cool looking, prospectively of course.

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #66 on:** June 06, 2006, 01:04:00 AM »

QUOTE(speed_racer88 @ Jun 5 2006, 11:07 PM)

OR you can buy a RWD skyline, all the great looks in a faster bundle. My friend had a RWD skyline and it was very fast, until it got wrapped around a pole.... But even after the left side was crushed in so far that it was half a foot away from the drivers head my friend still drove the car in to the trailer and into his garage.

Yes, but as pointed out above it depends what you plan on using it for.

Rylinkus · « **Reply #67 on:** June 06, 2006, 03:15:00 PM »

Well I disagree. You're not going to use a skyline to rally. They're real heavy for a rally car.

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #68 on:** June 06, 2006, 11:38:00 PM »

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Jun 6 2006, 10:22 PM)

Well I disagree. You're not going to use a skyline to rally. They're real heavy for a rally car.

You also missed the part about light to light racing.

SniperKilla · « **Reply #69 on:** June 09, 2006, 09:07:00 AM »

z06 no question.. anyone voting for a skyline just knows what they saw on the fast and the curious...

skyline cant match a z06's performance... be it a 01 z06 with 385hp, an 02-04 z06 with 405hp, or the new firebreathing 06 z06 with 505hp

IPB Image

SniperKilla · « **Reply #70 on:** June 09, 2006, 09:32:00 AM »

forgot to post that the 2006 z06 was also the fastest production car ever to lap nurburgring, behind ONLY the $400,000 porsche carrera gt

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #71 on:** June 09, 2006, 11:05:00 AM »

QUOTE(SniperKilla @ Jun 9 2006, 06:39 AM)

forgot to post that the 2006 z06 was also the fastest production car ever to lap nurburgring, behind ONLY the $400,000 porsche carrera gt

Just drove by one on the freeway 15min ago. Prolly the only Porche I would LOVE to own. A piece of art.

Rylinkus · « **Reply #72 on:** June 09, 2006, 06:26:00 PM »

QUOTE(SniperKilla @ Jun 9 2006, 04:14 PM)

z06 no question.. anyone voting for a skyline just knows what they saw on the fast and the curious...

skyline cant match a z06's performance... be it a 01 z06 with 385hp, an 02-04 z06 with 405hp, or the new firebreathing 06 z06 with 505hp

IPB Image

Obviously you're not playing enough Need For Speed: Underground.....

CKwik240 · « **Reply #73 on:** June 14, 2006, 12:25:00 AM »

While the specs of the upcoming GTR have not been made official, from what we know f it, the Z06 has some advantages. Not to put the GTR off, but the GTR will be a relatively heavy car and will probably have less power than the Z06. That's not to say the GTR won't be competetive or perhaps even be able to best the Z06 on the 'Ring'. Consider the GT-R at one time set a record at the 'Ring'. It's a benchmark that is bested over and over again. I speculate Nissan is aiming at that spot even if for only a short time. Nissan's ATTESA AWD system will probably have plenty to do with it. I'd imagine a Z06 would have to be a bit finicky in exiting turns. The AWD in the GTR will probably be rear biased like always and allow quite a bit of torque transfer to seek out any available traction on exit. Unless accelleration is severely biased to one car, in a course with a lot of high speed straights, exit speeds are going to be key. If the GTR is going to be able to break any records, this is going to be key. And before anyone starts saying AWD is heavier, blah blah, consider that in a recent article that tested current AWD sport sedans, they put a RWD #5 against an AWD one. While the G35X AWD system is not tuned with a big emphasis on performance, and is a couple of hundred pounds heavier, it beat the RWD version around a course in the dry and wet. I'm not saying the GTR will win as my initial impressions based on speculation around the GTR's specs would lead me to believe the GTR would have an uphill battle, but I certainly won't pass it off at this point. Especially with rumors that Lotus is tuning the suspension and Cosworth is tuning the motor. Either way, this just goes to show when businesses compete, consumers win.

Rylinkus · « **Reply #74 on:** June 14, 2006, 08:59:00 AM »

QUOTE(CKwik240 @ Jun 14 2006, 07:32 AM)

While the specs of the upcoming GTR have not been made official, from what we know f it, the Z06 has some advantages. Not to put the GTR off, but the GTR will be a relatively heavy car and will probably have less power than the Z06. That's not to say the GTR won't be competetive or perhaps even be able to best the Z06 on the 'Ring'. Consider the GT-R at one time set a record at the 'Ring'. It's a benchmark that is bested over and over again. I speculate Nissan is aiming at that spot even if for only a short time. Nissan's ATTESA AWD system will probably have plenty to do with it. I'd imagine a Z06 would have to be a bit finicky in exiting turns. The AWD in the GTR will probably be rear biased like always and allow quite a bit of torque transfer to seek out any available traction on exit. Unless accelleration is severely biased to one car, in a course with a lot of high speed straights, exit speeds are going to be key. If the GTR is going to be able to break any records, this is going to be key. And before anyone starts saying AWD is heavier, blah blah, consider that in a recent article that tested current AWD sport sedans, they put a RWD #5 against an AWD one. While the G35X AWD system is not tuned with a big emphasis on performance, and is a couple of hundred pounds heavier, it beat the RWD version around a course in the dry and wet. I'm not saying the GTR will win as my initial impressions based on speculation around the GTR's specs would lead me to believe the GTR would have an uphill battle, but I certainly won't pass it off at this point. Especially with rumors that Lotus is tuning the suspension and Cosworth is tuning the motor. Either way, this just goes to show when businesses compete, consumers win.

A very good post. Why don't we get more of these. My only skepticism would be comparing the perfomance of a RWD SUV vs and AWD SUV. While neither is exaclty tuned for performance, a poorly setup RWD car is going to have a far greater issue finding traction than it's AWD counterpart. Perhaps best illustrated by the pletora of RWD vehicles on the market that are in no way decent handling. (Vans/SUVs/Trucks) I'm not saying that RWD is always better, but I think to compare 2 SUVs, neither built for performance and use that as any sort of basis for comparing sports cars is disengenous. I don't mean to be attacking the AWD platform as surely I plan to move to an AWD platform when I decide to retire the Camaro.

Author Topic: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6? (Read 247 times)