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[iLLNESS]

either way.. the thing about american muscle heads is they try to compare their fully built v8s with minor modded 4 bangers heh..  u always hear about it.. oh man id slap that honda ricer with my v8 w/ supercharger super bored out blah blah the positrac and the rebuilt auto tranny blah blah blah

blah i cant even type.. i tell you american muscle heads wont accept the fact that something outside the usa is better lol

look how cars are selling now.. #1 car manufacturer is toyota... which happens to be a japanese company called toyoda

www.honda-tech.com

EDIT: oh hey here we are.. not the exact link i was looking for but heres the engine itself with specs

http://www.mulsannes...om/mugenv8.html

damn.. honda has the 4cyl, v6, and with this engine theyll have the v8.. lol those muscle cars will be rarer as the days go by.. but not for a good reason

[ubernewb]

but i do agree with you on how some domestic drivers think.. they drive their cars with supercharged-this and bored-out-that and they feel proud everytime they pass up a honda with intake/exhaust. that's like mike tyson being proud about beating up a 10 year old...

grow the fuck up already... at least be realistic and compare your gas guzzling mammoth to a car with similar mods.. might just discover that the gap isn't as wide as you'd like to think it is.

[Senorpapacabasa]

having owned a turbocharged integra, i know how fun they can be to drive.  but it can not compare to driving a rwd torque monster, no matter if it is domestic or imports.  honda's are ok, but there are so many better imports out there... dsm's, nissans, etc.

[Rylinkus]

QUOTE(Senorpapacabasa @ Jul 7 2005, 08:24 PM)

having owned a turbocharged integra, i know how fun they can be to drive.  but it can not compare to driving a rwd torque monster, no matter if it is domestic or imports.  honda's are ok, but there are so many better imports out there... dsm's, nissans, etc.

[ktm300]

QUOTE(xboxmodder4life @ Jul 7 2005, 08:57 AM)

wyotech..i went there and it fucking sucked the big one. I got there and they didnt have enough tools because they over booked the classes. IT was friggen retarded. I ended up leaving and going to a university back home, and took a different path

[Lococoin]

trey85stang

that time insnt all that bad. its very hard to hook up a high horsepower front wheel drive.

this guy has 660 whp and he only runs mid 10's, mind you he was only running 1.4 bar but still, he spins way too much. You can check out his video here.

http://www3.telus.ne...eetEK9Civic.wmv

[Rylinkus]

QUOTE(iLLNESS @ Jul 7 2005, 10:28 AM)

a honda 4 banger pushing the same horse as a domestic v8 will burn less gas.. its just known that imported engines are better on fuel...

[jesterrace777]

Wait a sec.  What is your MPG on your Z28 again?  I know it does quite well on the highway but doesn't it suck around town?

[Rylinkus]

2000 Honda S2000
Standard Engine     2.0L 240 hp I4
Horsepower    240 @ 8300 RPM
Torque (lb-ft)    153 @ 7500 RPM
City (mpg)     20
Highway (mpg)    26

2000 Acura NSX
Standard Engine     3.2L 290 hp V6
Horsepower    290 @ 7100 RPM
Torque (lb-ft)    224 @ 5500 RPM
City (mpg)     17
Highway (mpg)    24

1995 Chevy Camaro Z28
Standard Engine     5.7L 285 hp V8
Horsepower     285 @ 5000 RPM     275
Torque (lb-ft)    325 @ 2400 RPM
City (mpg)     17
Highway (mpg)    25 - 26

Comparing to the S2000 isn't quite fair as the Lt1 produces considerably more power then the S2000. (Though it's pretty close like I said.) But picking the most comparable Honda I could think of yielded the numbers above. Again I ask, hows the Honda more effiecient???



You know what, let's compare a few more. How bout @ 160 hp?
1995 Ford Probe GT
2.5L V6
164hp/160 ft/lbs
21/26 City/Highway

1994 Prelude Si
2.4L I4
160hp/162 ft/lbs
22/26 City/Highway

And just so we don't think it's just Honda engines that are overated......
2004 Toyota Celica GTS  (Sportiest thing Toyota has in the US ATM)
Standard Engine    1.8L 180 hp I4
Horsepower       180 @ 7600 RPM
Torque (lb-ft)        130 @ 6800 RPM    
City (mpg)     24 - 25
Highway (mpg)    31 - 33

2005 Dodge Neon SRT-4
Standard Engine   2.4L 230 hp I4
Horsepower       230 @ 5300 RPM
Torque (lb-ft)       250 @ 2200 RPM
City (mpg)         22
Highway (mpg)    30

2005 Subaru WRX
Standard Engine     2.0L 227 hp H4
Horsepower    227 @ 6000 RPM
Torque (lb-ft)    217 @ 4000 RPM
City (mpg)     19 - 20
Highway (mpg)    26 - 27

2005 Mistsubishi Lancer Evo 7
Standard Engine     2.0L 276 hp I4
Horsepower    276 @ 6500 RPM
Torque (lb-ft)    286 @ 3500 RPM
City (mpg)     19
Highway (mpg)    26

2005 Ford Mustang V6
Standard Engine     4.0L 210 hp V6
Horsepower    210 @ 5300 RPM
Torque (lb-ft)    240 @ 3500 RPM
City (mpg)     19
Highway (mpg)    25 - 28

2005 Nissan 350Z
Standard Engine     3.5L 287 hp V6
Horsepower    287 @ 6200 RPM
Torque (lb-ft)    274 @ 4800 RPM
City (mpg)     20
Highway (mpg)    26

2005 Cadillac CTS
Standard Engine     3.6L 255 hp V6
Horsepower    255 @ 6200 RPM
Torque (lb-ft)    252 @ 3200 RPM
City (mpg)     17 - 18
Highway (mpg)    27

So find ANYTHING in those numbers that prove that a Japaneese engine is more effiecient then a Domestic. (Actually the damn SRT-4 looks to provde the most Hp for your fuel.)  Producing HP requires burning fuel. Period.

[Hercules Q Einstein]

Agree 100% in this day and age every car company makes fuel efficint cars. The whole japanese cars being better on fuel and such is because in the old days the US didnt care about making cars that used little gas. People dont realize things have changed in the last 20 years.

Plus most all cars are built on the same foundations and tech nowadays. Japanese and American cars are so much alike they even share parts and designs  in alot of cases.

[Rylinkus]

I don't entirely agree. There's not a lot of pushrod engines like the Chevy 350 used in Imports. But who cares if it's an old design so long as it yields the same hp/fuel numbers as anything Honda or any other company produces.

[Hercules Q Einstein]

Yeah forgot yours was a chevy and there for probaly has a pushrod engine.

Anyway i dont mean they are always exactly the same. I just mean you cant say one country is better at any one thing since we both have cars built off the same tech (atleast all new tech).

[Rylinkus]

I just find myself frustrated with all the honda kids using the word "effiecient" to describe their engines since they produce a lot of hp from the limited displacement. Who cares? Has anyone ever really went car shopping and not chose a car because it had too much displacement?

[Hercules Q Einstein]

Another point i agree with. Id much rather buy an american V8 5.9L making 525hp than a Japanese I4 2.0 making 245hp. While yes i agree the I4 is a much more impressive feat, its still not better. Im sure American companys COULD make one just like it. Whats the point though? Impressive HP to Liter ratios are just a cool little thing to brag about. At the end of the day it has no bearing on how you car runs (other than less tourqe).

[Rylinkus]

Nice car. I always liked the looks of the Integras. And they look excellent in black. Where are you located. It's obviously not the states since thats a RHD car. Aside from that you gotta get yourself some headers on that thing man. Theyre so easy to do on most Hondas.