Topic: What Would You Pick (Read 401 times)

AdmStng · « **Reply #30 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:36:00 PM »

QUOTE (Mage @ Mar 31 2003, 03:28 PM)

QUOTE (AdmStng @ Mar 31 2003, 02:21 PM)

QUOTE (Mage @ Mar 31 2003, 03:12 PM)

QUOTE (AdmStng @ Mar 31 2003, 02:04 PM)

any one can throw a super charger or turbo on a car.. give me a impart car that is naturally inspired (no NOS, turbos, superchargers) that runs better than 11.5... i know i can show you many many V8's that can run alot better 11.5 ALL natual.. really give me a link with a better time than 11.5.. and if you want i'll show you times of a v8..

Many Japanese engines are designed with turbo.
The Nissan r34 skyline engine is twin turbo stock.
You can't just say take away your turbo, how about then we say you can only have a v4?

Same idea, you're limiting what the engine was designed for.
Course the skyline might have better handling also...but that's a whole different story

...but this is my point... the v8 cars are more powerful...

and yes your right about the handling..

More power? How?
You don't factor in gas usage if you're saying that.
The skyline is a prime example of good engineering.
Damn good car.

lol, gas is not a factor to me at all. just like YOU said before.. this is not about money

.. and how? you ask.. well i think it was just explained but i will say it again... take any twinturbo import.. and put it against a twinturbo vette, camaro, mustang, the american car is going to win.. yes, your cars might have comfort and handling.. but you can have that..

hedstrosity · « **Reply #31 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:38:00 PM »

QUOTE (Mage @ Mar 31 2003, 12:52 PM)

QUOTE (AdmStng @ Mar 31 2003, 01:33 PM)

whats wrong with some of you.. what ever happen to american muscle? V8's! all the mustangs, camaro's. trans-am's, and all the older american muscle.. i don't see putting money into somthign slow to make it fast? get somthing fast and make it faster!! when i had a mustang (stock at one point) i beat honda's spraying NOS, and they must of dumped 1,000's of buck in them..

Challenge a real import car.

I'm a fan of nissan engines.

American muscle cars are old and ineffient.
Why get something so heavy?

modern day muscle cars are far from inefficient. you only have a select breed of cars you can brag about. mainly the skyline and the supra. both pushing $60k + price tags new. a 96 tt supra still goes for $30k in decent shape. if you want tp compare those cars be prepared to go against vipers, vettes, saleens, ligenfelters, exotics etc...
an 03 cobra comes stock with 390fwhp hp. they actually dyno 360-370 rwhp which puts that 390 to more like 430fwhp. do you know how much ground your cute little 4 cylinder has to make up to even consider catching up? that car is also only $34k brand new. your top end wrx and lancer is approx. $28-30K.
dont compare a 1,000 hp v6, cause i can come back at you with a 5,000+ hp drag car

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when it comes to best bang for the buck, and most easily modified the v8 is always gonna be on top. imorts can be made fast, but wrx's sure like to break those awd trannys. the last 3 times ive been at the track theres been at least one that broke cause of tranny failure.

i drag race all the time, and get sick of the whole ricer "fast and the furious scene". its way out of hand with too many misinformed ricers.
me personally i dont like old muscle cars, i like new modern muscle.

and dont come back with the good ol' hp per liter saying if a mustang was as efficient as a ricer car it would be 500+hp stock.
cause if all cars were as efficient as a yamaha r1 that makes 150hp per liter then the s2000 would be 300hp.
lets not forget about torque either? imports have none, which is why they need turbos, and awd vehicles. you ricers have no idea what your missing till you drive something with "TORQUE"

AdmStng · « **Reply #32 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:39:00 PM »

QUOTE (Audiracer @ Mar 31 2003, 03:32 PM)

Im with you Mage, you cant just say "give me an N/A import car, then we'll race".
You have to compare cars for what they are.
Not to mention Many american mucsle cars use turbos and supercharges, so dont give me that shit.
I'd rather start off with a Slower car than you, that stock out Handles yours, and with a little $ $moke the shit out your Heavy, Ugly, gas Waisting, Only go fast off the line car.

Why not take a look at an Audi S4 huh?
250hp stock, 258 lb-ft torque, 5v per cyclinder, twin turbo, intercooled, and AWD. Then....
Drop out the turbos and replace them with a Slightly larger pair, a chip, intake, and exhaust and ull have a car with 450 hp that will dump on ur car in every way. Looks better, Handles better, Faster, I mean you're beat.

lol, you just added

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turbos and replace them with a Slightly larger pair, a chip, intake, and exhaust and ull have a car with 450 hp

to your car... i'm trying to make a comparision of natualrly inspired cars.. ok, in that case drop turbos and replace them with a Slightly larger pair, a chip, intake, and exhaust and ull have a car with 640HP... all i am saying is the v8 engine is more powerful, and faster

Audiracer · « **Reply #33 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:40:00 PM »

AdmStng · « **Reply #34 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:41:00 PM »

QUOTE (hedstrosity @ Mar 31 2003, 03:38 PM)

QUOTE (Mage @ Mar 31 2003, 12:52 PM)

QUOTE (AdmStng @ Mar 31 2003, 01:33 PM)

whats wrong with some of you.. what ever happen to american muscle? V8's! all the mustangs, camaro's. trans-am's, and all the older american muscle.. i don't see putting money into somthign slow to make it fast? get somthing fast and make it faster!! when i had a mustang (stock at one point) i beat honda's spraying NOS, and they must of dumped 1,000's of buck in them..

Challenge a real import car.

I'm a fan of nissan engines.

American muscle cars are old and ineffient.
Why get something so heavy?

modern day muscle cars are far from inefficient. you only have a select breed of cars you can brag about. mainly the skyline and the supra. both pushing $60k + price tags new. a 96 tt supra still goes for $30k in decent shape. if you want tp compare those cars be prepared to go against vipers, vettes, saleens, ligenfelters, exotics etc...
an 03 cobra comes stock with 390fwhp hp. they actually dyno 360-370 rwhp which puts that 390 to more like 430fwhp. do you know how much ground your cute little 4 cylinder has to make up to even consider catching up? that car is also only $34k brand new. your top end wrx and lancer is approx. $28-30K.
dont compare a 1,000 hp v6, cause i can come back at you with a 5,000+ hp drag car

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when it comes to best bang for the buck, and most easily modified the v8 is always gonna be on top. imorts can be made fast, but wrx's sure like to break those awd trannys. the last 3 times ive been at the track theres been at least one that broke cause of tranny failure.

i drag race all the time, and get sick of the whole ricer "fast and the furious scene". its way out of hand with too many misinformed ricers.
me personally i dont like old muscle cars, i like new modern muscle.

and dont come back with the good ol' hp per liter saying if a mustang was as efficient as a ricer car it would be 500+hp stock.
cause if all cars were as efficient as a yamaha r1 that makes 150hp per liter then the s2000 would be 300hp.
lets not forget about torque either? imports have none, which is why they need turbos, and awd vehicles. you ricers have no idea what your missing till you drive something with "TORQUE"

... well put... well put

AdmStng · « **Reply #35 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:42:00 PM »

QUOTE (Audiracer @ Mar 31 2003, 03:40 PM)

Can I just say AdmStng, You are and Idiot!

ok NEWB... explaine to me why i am a Idiot?

jasonmvt · « **Reply #36 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:44:00 PM »

QUOTE

Heavy, Ugly, gas Waisting, Only go fast off the line car.

last time I checked, fast off the line is the only aspect relevant to this discussion. No one will ever argue the handling of cars with a shorter wheelbase and a lighter curb weight. Better handling doesn't really apply to the typical street race which involves point A to point B in a completely straight line.

As far as gas mileage is concerned, is that also relevant to a street race? Last time I caught an NHRA event it wasn't Audi 's and Subaru's either. I have much respect for 'foreign' cars; most are engineering marvels - that much HP out of such a small block is amazing. But while Japan and Europe may own the circuits in the professional world, with the exception of exoctic supercars, America owns the quarter mile.

AdmStng · « **Reply #37 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:45:00 PM »

QUOTE (hedstrosity @ Mar 31 2003, 03:43 PM)

QUOTE (Audiracer @ Mar 31 2003, 01:32 PM)

Im with you Mage, you cant just say "give me an N/A import car, then we'll race".
You have to compare cars for what they are.
Not to mention Many american mucsle cars use turbos and supercharges, so dont give me that shit.
I'd rather start off with a Slower car than you, that stock out Handles yours, and with a little $ $moke the shit out your Heavy, Ugly, gas Waisting, Only go fast off the line car.

Why not take a look at an Audi S4 huh?
250hp stock, 258 lb-ft torque, 5v per cyclinder, twin turbo, intercooled, and AWD. Then....
Drop out the turbos and replace them with a Slightly larger pair, a chip, intake, and exhaust and ull have a car with 450 hp that will dump on ur car in every way. Looks better, Handles better, Faster, I mean you're beat.

how much is an s4? ill take a saleen s281 extreme anyday. comes STOCK with 450 hp and can easily outhandle your cute audi.
the 03 cobra blocks are rated at 1,000hp. its very easily modified. forged steel crank, 4v per cylinder, manley h-beam rods, etc....
put 450hp on that audi. not designed for it = KABOOM... and there goes your warranty too

...
ive owned imports in the past, but ive now seen the light. i

muscle

focusracer1 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:48:00 PM »

You guys are compairing apples and bananas. Muscle cars and four bangers are a totaly differant types of cars. We all have prefrences, lets just see that and stop the bickering. I'm not a huge fan of muscle cars, but you don't see slammin on them. Plus when you talk about hoespower on an import, most of the HP comes at very high RPM's. Take the Honda S2000, the HP tops out like at 7300 RPM, whats up with that.... As opposed to V-8's are have a lot of torque which translates into more power at lower ends of the power band

Mage · « **Reply #39 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:50:00 PM »

EDIT: do not due duh hands have a mind of their own at times.

AdmStng · « **Reply #40 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:51:00 PM »

QUOTE (hedstrosity @ Mar 31 2003, 03:48 PM)

the best part about most you guys is your too young to even drive let alone tell us whats better.
12-11 second ls1's and 5.0/4.6 are a dime a dozen.
16 second imports terrorise the streets and the track on a weekly basis

...
with the one quick one that they all flock to like there defender.

do any of you guys go to the track?

your pretty damn funny

and yet speak the truth

hedstrosity · « **Reply #41 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:56:00 PM »

QUOTE (focusracer1 @ Mar 31 2003, 01:48 PM)

You guys are compairing apples and bananas. Muscle cars and four bangers are a totaly differant types of cars. We all have prefrences, lets just see that and stop the bickering. I'm not a huge fan of muscle cars, but you don't see slammin on them. Plus when you talk about hoespower on an import, most of the HP comes at very high RPM's. Take the Honda S2000, the HP tops out like at 7300 RPM, whats up with that.... As opposed to V-8's are have a lot of torque which translates into more power at lower ends of the power band

i dont get involved till importers bash muscle... thats nonsense...
this new fast and the furious generation is out of hand...
remember torque is what makes you move. low end torque is alot better then high end hp.
take the 96-01 cobra for example. makes 305 (96-98) and 320 (99-01) hp and can be reved to 7k rpm. it does lack a little down low in the torque department though.
THATS THE BEAUTY OF REAR WHEEL DRIVE CARS. change out the rearend. put in some 4.10's or 4.30's and WHOOLAH all the low end torque you could need with the high rpm hp.
ligenfelter and saleen make muscle cars handle, but thats where classes come in. youll never see either one in the same class.
the argument is never ending and insane. disrespect is the biggest thing the whole ricer scene has brought. they cant even appreciate each others cars. they flood the street races by my house and ruin the whole scene. they dont race, they show off their strobe headlights, bump their system, and show off their air ride.

.....
its a shame

hedstrosity · « **Reply #42 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:57:00 PM »

QUOTE (AdmStng @ Mar 31 2003, 01:51 PM)

QUOTE (hedstrosity @ Mar 31 2003, 03:48 PM)

the best part about most you guys is your too young to even drive let alone tell us whats better.
12-11 second ls1's and 5.0/4.6 are a dime a dozen.
16 second imports terrorise the streets and the track on a weekly basis

...
with the one quick one that they all flock to like there defender.

do any of you guys go to the track?

your pretty damn funny

and yet speak the truth

is that your t/a in your sig?

AdmStng · « **Reply #43 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:57:00 PM »

AdmStng · « **Reply #44 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:58:00 PM »

QUOTE (hedstrosity @ Mar 31 2003, 03:57 PM)

QUOTE (AdmStng @ Mar 31 2003, 01:51 PM)

QUOTE (hedstrosity @ Mar 31 2003, 03:48 PM)

the best part about most you guys is your too young to even drive let alone tell us whats better.
12-11 second ls1's and 5.0/4.6 are a dime a dozen.
16 second imports terrorise the streets and the track on a weekly basis

...
with the one quick one that they all flock to like there defender.

do any of you guys go to the track?

your pretty damn funny

and yet speak the truth

is that your t/a in your sig?

nah

.. i totaled my mustang in the rain

, i will be getting a LS1 soon though

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