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TheGreatVirus

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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2006, 11:12:00 PM »

I don't think you quite understand exactly what kind of security I do. Also I don't just use my hardware Im also a programmer who likes to create software that intereacts with wifi the effect of the software may or may not be harmful. In the event that I do create such a thing which is quite often I do document and make it known to IT security specialists.


Here is another pic of the dish:

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It's a 24dBi Dish with a 1000mW amp and a 300mW A/B/G PCMCIA Card with XR.
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EverestX

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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2006, 01:57:00 PM »

QUOTE(TheGreatVirus @ Apr 9 2006, 12:19 AM) View Post

//Rem'd pic cause it's huge//
It's a 24dBi Dish with a 1000mW amp and a 300mW A/B/G PCMCIA Card with XR.



Jesus, I bet range on that thing from a decent sized hotel is amazing.   But then Again 24Dbi is a pretty healthy boost in range regardless. What did a fancy piece of hardware like that run you?   From the looks of it it doesn't appear to be hand built, and if it was, My hats off to you.
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TheGreatVirus

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2006, 01:39:00 AM »

QUOTE(EverestX @ Apr 10 2006, 04:04 PM) View Post

Jesus, I bet range on that thing from a decent sized hotel is amazing.   But then Again 24Dbi is a pretty healthy boost in range regardless. What did a fancy piece of hardware like that run you?   From the looks of it it doesn't appear to be hand built, and if it was, My hats off to you.


The 1 Watt amp is my own creation and the cables etc are all made by me, as for the antenna it's just a slightly modded version of an original. Im actually making a 3 Watt amp now.

As for the range I been running experments by shooting it off the MESA and we are getting signal from over 20 miles a true range test has yet to be done. To run our tests we are using an Atheros (Madwifing) based card setup with two VAP's in AP mode. The connection quality at 20 miles is yet to be fully tested but it's around 28mbps and sitting at around good to excellent quality. If you would like the exact dBi's your going to have to wait a while as I dont currently have access to it.

When it comes to wifi development and expermenting, TiSnetworks which is my "organization" aka group of people with all differnt shades of hats, has been working on a method which we will simply call ghosting. The function of ghosting is to avoid new wifi security systems that are being put into play. One of these security systems is a real threat to wepcracking it works by attacking the attacker with mass DeAuthentication packets, when you are cracking a wep key you must associate with the access point in order to inject packets. (One Method of WEP Cracking)

The security system lies dormant and is not visable to kismet scans. When the "cracker" comes in he will only see his target AP. Sure it looks like what would normally be a piece of cake yet when the cracker starts his attack he is forced to DeAuth a client on that WLAN in order to begen the replay of ARP packets to generate IV's for the cracking procces. The security system will detect this DeAuth Packet and switch into an aware state and will begen passively monitoring wifi connections for strage activity such as a dramatic rise in Data packets. It then proceeds to lock onto the sender (the cracker) and begens creating massive amounts of fake access points on the attackers current wifi channel. These fake APs seem to only be a nuisance at first but soon they will start generating massive amounts of DeAuth packets all set on the Broadcast channel so basically everything on the atatckers channel will be hit, but it will stop the attack cold turkey.

TiSnetworks has found a way to evade this security system by confusing it. We generate a massive amount of fake "cleints" and attach them to the access point then when the security system becomes active our clients play a bit of a game with the security system by confusing it and in turn masking the real attacker. To avoid the broadcast DeAuths we were able to make modifications to both our drivers and aircrack to ignore DeAuth packets and basically send them to null. =)


Well, thats about all I can tell you for now. Hopefully you dont feel bad by this point for reading it all and possibly gaining nothing.
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2006, 09:23:00 AM »

QUOTE(TheGreatVirus @ Apr 11 2006, 02:46 AM) View Post

 "organization" aka group of people with all differnt shades of hats,



Haha, you Sir have my dream job or so it appears.  20 Miles is a ridiculous range, I imagine you get lots of work done with something that powerful.  biggrin.gif

The ghosting you were talking about sounds pretty jazzy. Do you guys publicly release your work or submit it to vulnerable vendors for a fee, then release later?  None the less, Congrats on what appears to be the funnest job on the face of the earth. And good luck in your research.
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2006, 10:35:00 AM »

We dont just focus on wifi our reach extends into all different kinds of security. Information is released as we see fit but most of the information depending on what it is, is kept secret till we feel it needs to be released.

Also Im aware of the 200 typos in the above message. It was a bit late and I was not paying attention. Haha or maybe I cant spell. o.O

If your reading this Hobz you had better stop thinking what, I think your thinking.........
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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2006, 11:46:00 AM »

Hey man that's what GNU Aspell is for. biggrin.gif   I spell horribly myself.  I believe it has a Firefox plugin, but I use it  w/ my Opera.

Has any one at your firm, or you personally taken any time to look into the new "Abundance" (or so I hear) of Mac OS flaws?
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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2006, 03:42:00 PM »

We have taken time to review some of the holes but there is no development for the Mac in progress at this time.
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2006, 11:16:00 AM »

Sort of a *bump* post but not. Those of you who have been e-mailing and PMing me about the wifi research can learn more about it here: http://tisnetworks.dyn.dhs.org
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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2006, 07:16:00 AM »

QUOTE(TheGreatVirus @ Apr 9 2006, 12:19 AM) View Post

I don't think you quite understand exactly what kind of security I do. Also I don't just use my hardware Im also a programmer who likes to create software that intereacts with wifi the effect of the software may or may not be harmful. In the event that I do create such a thing which is quite often I do document and make it known to IT security specialists.
Here is another pic of the dish:

IPB Image
It's a 24dBi Dish with a 1000mW amp and a 300mW A/B/G PCMCIA Card with XR.



NERDD!!!!!!!
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Arjun

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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2006, 03:20:00 PM »

Honestly, that dish looks like my closet shelves.
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TheGreatVirus

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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2006, 10:08:00 PM »

Im sure they cost more too.
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Arvarden

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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2006, 07:57:00 AM »

Thats pretty sick TGV.



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