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[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(omg0t @ Oct 1 2005, 03:58 PM)

so ur sayin that the lpc makes it frao with the chip not installed?
and then the lpc is making my box frag with the chip on?

well if it does somethign different when the chip is on, then it has to be something to do with either the chip, or the lpc bus.

QUOTE(omg0t @ Oct 1 2005, 03:58 PM)

also could u check my lpc for damage, i cant see damage on it
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=9/26821051939.jpg&s=x1
thanks 

well it certinally doesnt look damaged

but remember that it could be a little transistor that has had it, and you wouldnt be able to see that.

so it has to be a hardware thing on teh motherboard, and it has to be directly to do with the lpc socket, and whether or not it loads the bios off the mobo or the chip.

if someone with a board liek this could play around with the circuitry around the lpc bus, that would be very helpfull.

[Andy Holloway]

well i got another FRAO xbox... i upgraded the ram, and one chip at a time i put it back together and booted it up... everytime it worked fine, after the last one i booted it and it was fine, i excitedly loaded up XBMC to check how much ram it had... 64MB  so i PMed perplex and he said if it boots fine its most likely a dry joint, so i spent ages trying to find it, never getting a FRAO or FRAG just never got it to say 128MB ram, i gave up for the day soon after, and was using the box for a few hours on and off, all up about 6-7 hours later i got my first FRAO, at first it would happen maybe 1 in 5, wasnt too worried, it started doing it more often, and i worked out that if i turned it off and straight back on it would FRAO always, leaving it 2mins was always enough to make it work again, the FRAOs bacame more and mroe consistant, until my theory wasnt valid anymore, it was now only working 1 in 10 or so attempts, and soon after stopped working alltogether, i put it in the cupboard for a week, and it still FRAOS now.
today i spent 3-4 hours cleaning up my ram install, cleaning flux away, checking everything. and it still FRAOs...
does this follow any patterns?
my multimeter isnt here for me to use, so i cant check anything... i think i give up, get another mobo off ebay

[omg0t]

wut happened with me is that i was playin with my dvd drive outside of the box and when i put it back in it just frao from the start and would never boot correctly, but it cant be the dvd drive cuz it fraos even with the drives uninstalled. i never had my box sometimes boot fraos and sometimes boot correctly. it just always boots fraos

[ferrari_rulz_02]

well maybe the FRAO is just the code for 'shits all fucked up, and i have no idea what it is".

from the evidence by other poeples experinces, it could be:

ram
ide controller
lpc bus/pins
**most likely heat affected component(s), worsening with wear**

so its a real stab in the dark to fix it

[omg0t]

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Oct 2 2005, 10:14 AM)

well maybe the FRAO is just the code for 'shits all fucked up, and i have no idea what it is".

i agree

[Andy Holloway]

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Oct 2 2005, 10:14 AM)

well maybe the FRAO is just the code for 'shits all fucked up, and i have no idea what it is".

yep, i think this should become the official explaination for FRAO, there is no logic or simple answer to it, no matter how hard you think. M$ may have just made it do this when it doesnt boot properly and no other error code is available... basically what ferrari_rulz_02 said

[thedominor]

damm, that blows, but I'm not so sure yet.  There are quite a few different situations here, though a common one is the boot once, shut off, boot second time, shut off, boot third time, fRAO,  Also it seems to me that a lot of people are getting only .2 volts on pin 5.  It seems like it would be good to check about a FRAO problem; I am having the boot 3 times then frao problem, so i will check this lpc via.  I am also thinking it could be a bad MCPX or mlaybelike someone said,  the clock capacitor...this is a tricky one though.

[Gokussj5okazu]

Just thought I'd let everyone know what networkboy told me. If you're having a problem like mine, chip on it FRAOs but chip off it works but doesn't keep time, it's probally the 2.5v 1F cap down in th lower left hand corner of a v1.0 mobo. Unfortunately I can't test this to see if it works, my mobo won't work at all since I tried chilling it in the freezer.  

[Gokussj5okazu]

Sry bout the dbl post.

[omg0t]

so u guys think if i do this   http://www.xboxscene.com/articles/red-orange.php   it'll fix my problem
also wut gauge wire should i use for this fix?

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(thedominor @ Oct 3 2005, 06:05 AM)

Also it seems to me that a lot of people are getting only .2 volts on pin 5.

well if we can get more people to test ther FRAO board for this, it would be helpfull

QUOTE(Gokussj5okazu @ Oct 3 2005, 06:14 AM)

Just thought I'd let everyone know what networkboy told me. If you're having a problem like mine, chip on it FRAOs but chip off it works but doesn't keep time, it's probally the 2.5v 1F cap down in th lower left hand corner of a v1.0 mobo.

do you know which cap exactly? if you do, can you post a pic of it, and where it is on the motherboard?

[thedominor]

I tested my mobo today, and found oh my, 0.2 volts on pin 5!!  I am going to try the tut fix and hope very strongly that it works.  I will let you all know if it works.

[camp]

I had a FRAO with a pogo pin chip, reseated the chip and the FRAO went away.  Dash would boot but games would freeze and then after more reboots, the flubber would freeze

btw...i would get intermittent "coma" symptoms w/ eject between "sucessful" boots

now all i get is coma symptoms w/o eject


seems to me that something on the mobo slowly deteriorated to the point of completely nonfunctioning.  i think i rebooted to the point where whatever was partially broken is completely faulty now

hope this helps

[omg0t]

could someone show me a big, good quality picture of where exactly i should solder in this tut http://www.xboxscene.../red-orange.php

also wut gauge wire should i use?

and can i still boot the tsop with this and boot from the modchip with my smartxx v2.0?

thank you

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(camp @ Oct 4 2005, 12:14 PM)

seems to me that something on the mobo slowly deteriorated to the point of completely nonfunctioning.  i think i rebooted to the point where whatever was partially broken is completely faulty now

that seems to be teh trend with all of the mobos with this problem.

QUOTE(omg0t @ Oct 4 2005, 02:34 PM)

also wut gauge wire should i use?

just use something small, so that you can easily mould it to where it has to go