Topic: Tries To Boot 3 Times Then Flashes Red And Orange (Read 528 times)

silverrush540 · « **on:** August 16, 2005, 11:44:00 PM »

Ok so I've never modded or done anything to my xbox...It wasnt working for a while and I bought a new one I decided to pull this one out of the closet and try it and it actually worked. It used to work off and on I guess some days I was just lucky if it powered on. Since then I've been trying to get it to work and it hasnt. I took it apart and looked at the motherboard...the major problem people list with these syptoms is a broken trace but I looked really good 3 times and I cant seem to find one. I don't think its the hard drive or the dvd drive because when I disconnect them both and power on it does the same thing. Here's what happens....I push the power button the xbox tries to boot up and then shuts off...it does this three times then starts flashing red and orange but with nothing on the screen. If I push the eject button the screen comes up but stops at the beginning stages of the green goop thats sposed to come up sometimes known as the flubber. SOMETIMES the sound works...other times it just freezes in a loop and gets louder and louder. I don't know what to do I'm at my wit's end here. I've been searching for a fix forever and no fixes are my actual situation. Can ANYONE help in anyway?

Crowley · « **Reply #1 on:** August 17, 2005, 12:42:00 AM »

Usually this mean a broken/lifted trace on the motherboards, most commonly the d0 point, but you say you've never attempted to mod it... Meh I'm not sure. You think you can take some pics of the mobo and power supply? (Only if their high quality) Hope I can help!

Code-Runner · « **Reply #2 on:** August 17, 2005, 12:50:00 AM »

Have you tried chipping it?

silverrush540 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 18, 2005, 02:31:00 AM »

No I haven't tried chipping it. I did the one tutorial from xboxrepairguide but it didnt work it had me solder a wire from from via to another pin on the front and the back. On their pics it shows an obvious broken trace. I have searched this board up and down 3 times and havent found a trace but i thought what the hell its so small maybe im not seeing it. So i did this tutorial and it still didnt work. I have never modded so I dont know how this can happen.

ferrari_rulz_02 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 18, 2005, 03:29:00 AM »

well this problem is almost allways due to a broken or bridged trace in the lpc bus.

check where you soldered to amke sure that you didnt bridge any pins.

if you can pick up a real cheap modchip (alladin and duox2 chipas are cheap as chips these days), you could try installing that and seeing if that fixes it.

silverrush540 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 19, 2005, 08:07:00 AM »

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Aug 18 2005, 05:04 AM)

well this problem is almost allways due to a broken or bridged trace in the lpc bus.

check where you soldered to amke sure that you didnt bridge any pins.

if you can pick up a real cheap modchip (alladin and duox2 chipas are cheap as chips these days), you could try installing that and seeing if that fixes it.

If I put either of these modchips in can I still play live?

revengeismyfury · « **Reply #6 on:** August 19, 2005, 11:28:00 AM »

I'm not sure if its a bridged point because if it works sometimes then it has to be like maybe part of the mcpx chip is going bad.

check your xbox version if its a 1.0/1.1. If your the original owner of this xbox or sure anyone else have not attempted to mod it. Try the 3 wire dual tsop trick. Then see if your xbox will load every time when a19 is on Ground. Youll understand once you read one of those tuts.

Do not use a19 on vcc atleast try to avoid that its bad for the mcpx chip.

Since you don't need to flash the motherboard dont worry about jumping any points.
Heres a tutorial that should help you out. Just solder a wire to a19 and a wire to ground. Tie both wires together. Ignore everything else on this tutorial. See if that works.

Anyways thats what I would do with that xbox.

http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/tsop-live-1mb.php

Oh yeah and if you try putting in a modchip which is much harder than I'm recommending you wolnt beable to play on live with it. Well, you might beable to flash the retail bios to it dont know if anyone has ever tried that though?

I'm not saying my method will work it might not.

"Dont use vcc 3.3V"

This post has been edited by revengeismyfury: Aug 19 2005, 06:30 PM

silverrush540 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 19, 2005, 03:46:00 PM »

I don't know I guess I give up I don't know enough about this stuff to even know whats wrong. Everyone has a different solution but i dont know if these are the right ones for my actual problem. If anyone that knows what they are doing with these types of things I would be willing to sell this to you. Make an offer.

ferrari_rulz_02 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2005, 03:12:00 AM »

QUOTE(revengeismyfury @ Aug 20 2005, 04:03 AM)

Oh yeah and if you try putting in a modchip which is much harder than I'm recommending you wolnt beable to play on live with it. Well, you might beable to flash the retail bios to it dont know if anyone has ever tried that though?

well as i am aware, almost any mod chip that you buy can be installed do that it only tuens on when you turn teh xbox on a certain way. and most bioses block live so that even if you forget the chip is on, you wont get banned.

my chip (an alladin - cheap and easy to install) turns on if you start the xbox by holdign in teh power button for 2 seconds. any otehr way (quick flick of power button, eject button), will start it up with the chip disabled

silverrush540 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2005, 12:31:00 PM »

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Aug 20 2005, 04:47 AM)

well as i am aware, almost any mod chip that you buy can be installed do that it only tuens on when you turn teh xbox on a certain way. and most bioses block live so that even if you forget the chip is on, you wont get banned.

my chip (an alladin - cheap and easy to install) turns on if you start the xbox by holdign in teh power button for 2 seconds. any otehr way (quick flick of power button, eject button), will start it up with the chip disabled

What are the differences between mod chips? If I had the aladdin which you say is cheap and easy to install will I have all the features of say an xecutor? I don't really understand the difference...are you still able to copy games to the harddrive and play movies and have the emulators for older systems on there with a crappy mod chip?

ferrari_rulz_02 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 20, 2005, 04:53:00 PM »

QUOTE(silverrush540 @ Aug 21 2005, 05:06 AM)

What are the differences between mod chips? If I had the aladdin which you say is cheap and easy to install will I have all the features of say an xecutor? I don't really understand the difference...are you still able to copy games to the harddrive and play movies and have the emulators for older systems on there with a crappy mod chip?

ok the main difference you would get to an executer 3 is the advanced features. the e3 has an 'os' on the chip, but that isnt really needed.

as i said, the chip itself doesnt make a shit load of difference, its the bios that is located on it that does.

pcton · « **Reply #11 on:** August 28, 2005, 02:40:00 AM »

I have that same problem and I can sure, it has nothing to do with mod chips. I think there is some broken resistor or something.

ferrari_rulz_02 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 28, 2005, 06:16:00 AM »

QUOTE(pcton @ Aug 28 2005, 07:15 PM)

I think there is some broken resistor or something.

well do you have a multi-meter. if you check the resistance of the resistors on teh mobo that migth help.

but also check very throughly for any broken traces, bridged traces, or dry joints

PimpleX · « **Reply #13 on:** August 28, 2005, 12:41:00 PM »

People are still mixing up FRAG and FRAO (Red and Orange). This guy has red and orange. I have two mobos (a v1.0 and v1.1) with this and cannot fix them despite much reading and soldering.

I just dug out the v1.0 and hey presto it worked like a charm for an hour or so, enough time to TSOP split and flash and unlock the hard disk that was paired with it, it then froze (during FTP) and that was that, back to 3 boots and red and orange.

My hunch is it is to do with the video somewhere, I've tried the RF lead method which made it boot to a blank screen but no FRAO. I tried the LPC trace bypass (even though my trace was fine) and that appeared to work on the v1.1 mobo for an hour or so before that was red and orange again.

I think it's a bad trace or resistor or cap on the video circuit, or a fault in the video / TV chip itself, but actually finding where and when is another matter. I've traced alot of the video circuit back looking for dead areas and found none.

If you ground D0 it will flash read and green (FRAG), so someone with more knowledge should be able to figure out WHY it goes form FRAO to FRAG on doing that and hopefully point at a likely source of the problem (which will be many and varied in my opinion so don't expect a one size fits all solution)

Cheers,

PimpleX

ferrari_rulz_02 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 29, 2005, 04:09:00 AM »

QUOTE(PimpleX @ Aug 29 2005, 05:16 AM)

worked like a charm for an hour or so

well just before it stopped workign right, did you do anything? if not, i will bet my life on the fact it is an overheating component

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