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[Chancer]

I can not bring myself to trust a development team that find an X3 too hard to understand and fit. Sorry I don't believe it and reading their News page would put me off ever buying one of their products

[oxjeremy334]

What good is using a smartxx on a version 1.7 if you have no hacked bios that will work on a v1.7?  If what Smartxx says is true, then I guess that you can have a v1.7 with a smartxx chip and a large hdd for a big external hdd that you can ftp to...Unless smartxx actually decides to make a hacked bios...

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(Bizquick @ May 31 2005, 11:54 AM)

I think its a 1.4 or 1.6 with a new video encoder because thats the only reason I could see why they would not share much info. if they did share then the other chips might get a jump on it and hack the video support fast than them. and I bet they want to be first. So in the mean time when some one gets a new xbox just be checking for anything new I doubt the board has changed. If this new board just had new memory SmartXX would have released that because they don't make BIOS's and that is what uses the memory.  And I do know MS was working on some new video thing not long ago so this could be what they were working on. I would have to ask my friends about it.

[netdroid9]

QUOTE(pablot @ May 31 2005, 08:34 PM)

uhm... You can't tell an xbox-version by looking at the dvd-player.. no way..

[Bizquick]

Well I got a dumb question lets say its a new 1.4 with xcaluber video encoder and Hynix ram chips. wouldnt a 1.6 M8 Plus bios run on that?or lets say the video encoder stayed the same. all evox would have to do is take the focuse encoder info out of m8plu and stick that in 1.6m8plus be in either case I would think there would be very little work to make it work. I really don't think its hynix ram chips unless samsung is outsourcing thoes ram chips to them. because MS has a really tight contact with samsung for the next many years even with the new Xbox 360. its the only way they can get memory cheap enough so they don't loose too much money on this system.

[lordvader129]

the 1.4s and 1.6s have waaaay to many hardware differences for them to use the same kernel (its more than just ram and video encoder, the entire trace layout on teh board is different, so the signal timings are completely different, plus theres the xyclops chip instead of the TSOP, im sure the 3.3v to 5v standby changes some stuff too)

i think if this 1.7 actually exists (highly doubtful at this point) it would have to be either a slight revision of the 1.6 board (along the lines of 1.2 to 1.3, or 1.4 to 1.5) or an entirely new board altogether (again, doubtful that MS would make such a drastic change this late in the game)



and the 2004 philips in the 1.6s do read cd-r, at least the 4 ive come across read every cd-r i threw at them

[networkBoy]

Actually the xyclops simply looks like an LPC chip to the box, so there is little difference there between 1.6 and previous revs.
The major differences are in the RAM timings for the Hynix and the video encoder.
-nB

[networkBoy]

Sure, but trace length isn't enough to affect timings enough to matter.  typical propagation delay is ~ 1nS/foot on FR4 with good layout.

Trace lengths don't matter that much till you get into the higher frequencies (like the ram and CPU-GPU bus)  The video signals themselves are relatively slow.

Things don't actually get harry untill you start breaking the GHz barrier or get below the 500mV/500MHz line.
-nB

Edit:  Mind you I think that the SmartXX team is full of shit b/c they are being too secretive.  Like I've already said, they have a 1.6 with yet another kind of ram, or a 1.4 with Hynix <-- my money's on that.
-nB

[lordvader129]

my money is still on them having jack shit, lol

although it would be funny to see aa '1.4b" with a higher retail kernel build than the 1.6, lol

[heinrich]

just fyi, they have 4x16meg chips.

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(Bizquick @ Jun 2 2005, 10:49 AM)

What ever is it is defiently got diffrent ram chips. My friend just got back from china. He knows that samsung has out scorced some work to a smaller company on older ram chips. This is MSs source for the ram chips they require.  currently samsung is really busy on some thing diffrent that they are not producing that product much more. And another thing MS has slowed the production down on the Xbox that samsung doesn't want to spend the time to setup the machines to make such small runs for the a mounts of ram they are asking for.

[fasmanza]

QUOTE(STICKY_BUD @ Jun 4 2005, 01:17 AM)

http://www.smartxx.c...eadid=4418&sid=

[pablot]

QUOTE(fasmanza @ Jun 4 2005, 01:34 AM)

Its officail Smartxx are the stupedist team out there,the board they cleym is a 1.7 is nothing but a 1.6 with filled vias,this is nothing new it has been discussed on the zenuim forums for a long time.....

[networkBoy]

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that's all I can say.
-nB