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mc_365

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« Reply #105 on: November 12, 2004, 01:34:00 PM »

You changed the HD.  That is the marriage theory.
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« Reply #106 on: November 12, 2004, 01:43:00 PM »

the hdd that is in my xbl xbox is the one it came with..the EXACT one
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« Reply #107 on: November 12, 2004, 02:17:00 PM »

ok, i have a modded box with a switched hard drive, but have yet to go on live, becuase i actually just recently got broadband


i am going to buy halo 2 probably today, and with it use the 2 month free trial.

Is Halo 2 confirmed to have something to do with the bannings?  
If it isn't, i will play a different game on live, and if i am not banned by the morning or the day after i will play halo 2 on live and check for ban.  If i am not banned, this will definitely support that marriage theory.
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« Reply #108 on: November 12, 2004, 02:39:00 PM »

Big HDD,

What is that HD in your sig?
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« Reply #109 on: November 12, 2004, 02:51:00 PM »

Here's an interesting question.. or maybe not..

What about this.. I believe I modified my HDD to a bigger one.. after I got xbox live 1.0 back then.. I dont think I did an account recovery (havent been banned yet, or online after the changes in checking)..

Would it do me any good to delete my account and do an account recovery, to ensure the xbox live database has the correct HD info.. and hence I would not get banned from here on out?

Or would it do any good to just delete my account and recreate a brand new one.. on the same xbox (prior to any bans occuring).

Thanks
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« Reply #110 on: November 12, 2004, 03:45:00 PM »

Just for anyone dissrupting this thread with stuff of no use to anyone, i thought i would just remind people of the current theories of the new xbl banning

1.) The Marriage Theory

Ok this is the theory that was pretty confirmed for the last two days, until recent newer theories. The marriage theory suggests that sometime around september it is believed, a new xbl update recorded your hard drive serial/model information, along with your eeprom information. It is believed that now when looging into xbl, the system checks your current hard drive serial/model information and your eeprom information again, and compares to what is stored on the xbl databse. If these are not identical, you will be banned. The solution was suggested that if you signed up to xbl after upgrading your hard drive, then xbl would record your new hard drive as stock and store it in the database, therefore people who have used xbl before upgrading their hard drive are at risk as the database may carry their old hard drive information.

2.) They knew it all along

This is a not so common theory to have appeared in this thread however it could still be relavent. This theory suggests that every xbox console to leave the manufacturing plant, has its hard drive and eeprom information recorded. It is believed now is the time that MS could be starting to update this into a database to compare to the box' current information as happening with the marriage theory.

3.) Scanning for files?

This is a very unpopular theory. It is the suggestion that xbl could be scanning for unsigned code on the xbox hard drive, such as dashboards, ripped games, and applications. However alot of people understand that MS would not be entitled to do this making this a pretty lame theory i believe

4.) Hardrive Password

This is the newest theory to hit the topic. Founded by -Gadget- It shows positive explanation and is looking quite probabal so far. This theory is based upon those who have already been banned once and of whom are now flagged by xbl. It seems to be very hard to get back on live after your gamertag is banned and so this seems to be a further check by xbl if you are in this situation. Xbl may be possibly checking your hard drive password which is said to be quite an easy thing to check, and with many apps locking hard rives under the password "TEAMASSEMBLY" it could be that m$ are scanning for hard drives locked under these passwords. Having your gamertag banned is said to be a very severe case of banning and it is said that MS will place extra security upon these people, therefore this theory could suggest to one of these further checks that MS may be performing.
Thanks -Gadget- for the info  B)

5.) Detecting the chip itself on the LPC

This also is a very new theory which is proving to be extremely explanitory to the recent bannings. It is believed that xbl could be detecting modchips by poking at different pins on the lpc (where the modchip sits). Although turning the modchip off by switch, boots original bios, it does not disconect power from the modchip, hence the led' are still turned on with the chip off. Turning the chip off by switch merely stops the d0 from grounding the connection and stops it from booting the modchips bios. This theory came after a very inteligent and repected post after noticing the colour of his x3 switch turning to purple when launching xbl. This theory seems very promising that MS could actually be detecting the chip itself.

There are many people out there, wondering why they were banned and posting ridiculously long situations that do nothing to solve the problem, so please people dont expect an answer here, we want a solution too so everyone get experimenting.

Good luck, Mike!  :beer:

This post has been edited by .::.Dinomatic.::.: Nov 13 2004, 01:19 AM
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« Reply #111 on: November 12, 2004, 04:20:00 PM »

QUOTE (.::.Dinomatic.::. @ Nov 13 2004, 12:41 AM)
5.) Detecting the chip itself on the LPC

This also is a very new theory which is proving to be extremely explanitory to the recent bannings. It is believed that xbl could be detecting modchips by poking at different pins on the lpc (where the modchip sits). Although turning the modchip off by switch, boots original bios, it does not disconect power from the modchip, hence the led' are still turned on with the chip off. Turning the chip off by switch merely stops the d0 from grounding the connection and stops it from booting the modchips bios. This theory came after a very inteligent and repected post after noticing the colour of his x3 switch turning to purple when launching xbl. This theory seems very promising that MS could actually be detecting the chip itself.

As for this, does anyone know of any schematics for various chips I could get my hands on? I'm pretty good with electronics, and I'm friends with quite a few eletrical engineers here at school.

The reason I would like to see some schematics is that if this 'lpc probing' thing seems to be panning out (which from what I've read, it does, a bit) then I'd like to take a look at how chips like mine (x2.0 lite) aren't being hit, and therefore try to work out a relatively simple switch mod for people to use if possible. Any help will be GREATLY appreciated here, guys, and I'll do my best to work out the schematics.
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« Reply #112 on: November 12, 2004, 04:31:00 PM »

VERY good post .::.Dinomatic.::. puts everything we know into one update post smile.gif
and really could not of worded it better well done !!

4.) Hardrive Password

i started this theory, originally for the people ALREADY banned once, and are now flagged
as it seems its VERY hard to get back on once your GT is banned with out getting banned again with the same xbox ..
i dont think there using this method to ban first time
(as all the people with big HDD will be banned which is not the case)
but its DEFINATLY something to be worried about for future first checks

but for now this may just be used to CHECK tagged users ?
as in have people got back on after being banned succefully ? (more than a day etc)
AND more importanyly HAS any1 managed to upgrade there HDD AFTER being on XBL with the stock one .. ?

Mick ..
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« Reply #113 on: November 12, 2004, 04:49:00 PM »

after a ban i've got a brand new box 1.6 with halo 2
i did the thing that Jenz offer: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=305440

specs

1.6 xbox
duo-x2 chip
retail disc
200 gb maxtor disc
ide cable with for 3 ide
switch for 3

played: online and offline:
halo2
ninja gaiden
burnout3
gp2

so far no problems.


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« Reply #114 on: November 12, 2004, 04:59:00 PM »

Ok... so I've been keeping up with what is going on before I try to sign on to live(for the first time) so I don't get banned. I'm leaning torwards the marriage theory and the chip theory. So does anyone think that a softmodded box before XBL will have problems?
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« Reply #115 on: November 12, 2004, 07:40:00 PM »

This LPC theory can't be right... I have an Xbit installed on a 1.6 and I'm not banned...My gamertag has been banned 3 times in the past too.

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« Reply #116 on: November 12, 2004, 07:57:00 PM »

Ok Here is Some Facts/Data-

Xbox version- 1.0 made in Mexico
Modded March 2004 (slayers2.5)
Drive Maxtor 200 something
Chips- Varied use to have X2.3blite+ however switched to 2.2 soldered chip is on side
Xbox Live install date July2004 (post harddrive install)

*Upgraded with Slayers2.6 evox on C everything else on F:
***Played live on Nov7th, no problems then chilled (had a feeling)
**cough French cough deleted Nov9th...Saves, etc
**Cleaned up a little, but seriously there was a lot of shit on e: and c: and I said screw this, I'm going to xbc or kai if I get banned, plus I wanted to report the data to Slayers
**Resumed Playing live on the 11th aroung 8ish
Didn't backup Halo, does it matter? Don't know.

I'm still not banned, not sure if this proves marriage theroy or not.  But also, want to point out that I have been reading a lot of the posts and a lot of 2.2's are saying there not banned yet....interesting.

I'm still collecting data, however I think that it is a combo like maybe lpc and marriage...My wife thinks that it is random and will all be screwed, maybe that can be a new theroy *wife theroy*
:angry: I do want to point out a few things:

I bought my xbox
I bought my modchip
I bought my xbox live subsciption
I bought Halo2
There is no reason to be banned under these conditions.

MS says they are clamping down on cheaters, well media center was just released for a $100.00...what a coincidence.  I plan on writing to the news...

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« Reply #117 on: November 12, 2004, 08:35:00 PM »

QUOTE (dzv @ Nov 12 2004, 05:54 PM)
When the chip is off, and the retail BIOS is loaded, the Xbox actually is not capable of reading any data above the 8g limit.  The partition table is located in the BIOS, and the MS BIOS only allows for 8g of HDD usage.  So, I don't believe there is any way for MS to ban you based on how much space you have on your HDD, because when you are on Live with the chip off, they can only see 8g, no matter what HDD you have in there.

Well, Xbox apps run in fully privileged mode and could actually do anything, including directly hitting the disk to find out any physical details they wanted to. BIOS support or no.
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« Reply #118 on: November 12, 2004, 08:50:00 PM »

QUOTE (h2thek @ Nov 13 2004, 04:53 AM)
Ok Here is Some Facts/Data-

Xbox version- 1.0 made in Mexico
Modded March 2004 (slayers2.5)
Drive Maxtor 200 something
Chips- Varied use to have X2.3blite+ however switched to 2.2 soldered chip is on side
Xbox Live install date July2004 (post harddrive install)

*Upgraded with Slayers2.6 evox on C everything else on F:
***Played live on Nov7th, no problems then chilled (had a feeling)
**cough French cough deleted Nov9th...Saves, etc
**Cleaned up a little, but seriously there was a lot of shit on e: and c: and I said screw this, I'm going to xbc or kai if I get banned, plus I wanted to report the data to Slayers
**Resumed Playing live on the 11th aroung 8ish
Didn't backup Halo, does it matter? Don't know.

I'm still not banned, not sure if this proves marriage theroy or not.  But also, want to point out that I have been reading a lot of the posts and a lot of 2.2's are saying there not banned yet....interesting.

I'm still collecting data, however I think that it is a combo like maybe lpc and marriage...My wife thinks that it is random and will all be screwed, maybe that can be a new theroy *wife theroy*
mad.gif I do want to point out a few things:

I bought my xbox
I bought my modchip
I bought my xbox live subsciption
I bought Halo2
There is no reason to be banned under these conditions.

MS says they are clamping down on cheaters, well media center was just released for a $100.00...what a coincidence.  I plan on writing to the news...

That confirms Marriage Theory

The Halo 2/Nov 9th XBL Bannings - AKA Marriage Theory

From what I can tell, you only get banned if you swap your HD *after* you first go onto XBL with a given Xbox.

If you're planning to upgrade an Xbox's HD, you need to do it before you first connect it to XBL.

But if you didn't do your upgrade before you signed on to XBL with that Xbox the first time, then you should sell your Xbox, and remod another one.

And finally, remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so you don't get banned for having an active modchip!

more info: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=304652 <-- GO HERE!!
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« Reply #119 on: November 12, 2004, 09:09:00 PM »

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Well, Xbox apps run in fully privileged mode and could actually do anything, including directly hitting the disk to find out any physical details they wanted to. BIOS support or no.


Hmm dont think thats right since we have been coding nexgen. We can detect hdd model & Serial number but size is not possible as far as i know using retail bios. Actualy I think im right apps cant detect hdd size no matter what.
EG. 160gb hdd installed. Using lba48 patched bios aka x3live worked fine.
I then flashed an original debug bios onto the chip which only detect up to 120gb. I then searched for games on f: but nothing would list up since nexgen was now not able 2 read the hardisk partition because the bios didnot support lba48.

So unless M$ is reading hdds that are > 10gig then i dont see what other way they can be doing these bans.

If im correct a retail bios cant read f: but can read the size of the partitions. Because even when i boot retail bios with my larger Hdd M$ dash still boots so yeah.
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