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[Al_Ghazi]

Oh yeah - also:

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If they do ban people they should only ban people with copied games, that would make the msot sense, but not with something that was paid for. But then again MS has already got your money, so they could care less what makes the most sense

MS says that it bannes modded boxes to prevent game hacks/exploits being used against non-modded boxes.  They see this as the biggest threat to the sucess of XBL- if all the clean XBOXers out there kept getting blasted because someone with a modded box has configured his battle rifle to shoot rockets - then people would stop using XBL.  So - it is not about copied games for M$.

Ghaz

[-Gadget-]

QUOTE (cyesergio @ Nov 16 2004, 12:02 AM)

Ok I've been reading ALOT (Even the big threads...)! I've not been banned yet...A friend of mine called me the moment he got banned, so I just turned xbox off (in the middle friggin great TS game Blood gulch (or whatever it's called in halo 2...)). He got the modified hardware error message. Either their doing multiple tests or something but I really think the LPC theory is a viable one... Here's what he did to his xbox: 1. Stock xbox 2. Modded it with I believe the Alladin chip and the xecuter bios, no unsigned code not even a different dashboard! 3. Got on live with the free trial (Midtown madness...), mod chip off 4.  PLays mostly backup games nothin out of the ordinary 5. However he does plays H2 french off dvd (however he deleted all game saves!) 6. 11/9 gets H2 retail and creates a NEW gamertag 7. His girlfriends was playing splitscreen with a friend (still signed in) and sees the eject led flashing to chip on mode! 8. Next day he wants to join the TS Bloodgulch party and gets the modded hardware message! So I'm really thinking MS probes for a modchip or something, and now I'm scared to go on live! I was thinking on getting my local mod guy to make switch to REALLY cut off the mod chip (eg the power pins on the mod chip). What to do?!?!

so are you saying that the HDD as never been changed, unlocked/relocked or anything !
the HDD is the stock one, (just stuff on it of course)

Mick ..  

[cyesergio]

QUOTE (-Gadget- @ Nov 17 2004, 09:01 PM)

so are you saying that the HDD as never been changed, unlocked/relocked or anything ! the HDD is the stock one, (just stuff on it of course) Mick ..

not even stuff on it!! NO unsigned code just a the installed to play backups. So I strongly believe this LPC thing....

[somberskys]

Um, I have Xenium ICE, EvoX dash, and I can get on XBL without any problems, I am booting the retail....and I have been playing for about 5 days now....nothing has happended to me...I haven't swapped my HD, which I can't now, but maybe thats the problem...switching HDD....

[coalesce]

I've got the smartxx v1. I've been playing halo 2 on live since it came out and I haven't have had one problem. I have a 160 gig HD in the xbox, as well. All I did was lock the HD and boot up from the original bios. You guys need to get a smartxx, that's yer problem.

and seriously, the xbox live tutorial you guys have on here is complete shit and needs revision. I bet half the reason all of you are banned is because you followed that fuckin tutorial. mainly this part:

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So, you are now at your EvolutionX dash or MS dash with the modchip on. You will then run a game (an original or a backup) or even a homebrewed program, and when the game is running, press the big eject button. Your Xbox will reboot and the original BIOS will load. The normal green Xbox logo will show and this means the modchip is off. Also, the modchip will now show the red LED.

My eject button (and I bet a lot of other people's) don't load up the original bios. It loads whatever the button is set to. The original is just the default setting. I can see a bunch of noobs going out there not thinking and committing suicide on their xbox accounts. The whole "halo 2 has new protection" is bullshit, stop spreading lies.

and to whoever said kai is better than live: sure, if you can stand the FUCKING LAG.

This post has been edited by coalesce: Nov 17 2004, 09:12 PM

[Gumba]

[Neptune]

People are getting banned on live because they change their HDD's. XBOX live logs your HDD serial number when you first sign on to xbox live. If you change your HDD and NOT your eeprom, they assume your xbox is modded and ban you. If you change your eeprom + HDD then you will not be banned.

[illusionist]

strange, not changed my HDD at all, stock, nothing on it that should not be, banned after 24 hours in Live after Halo2. Not the marriage theory on this one.

[Neosabre]

QUOTE (Neosabre @ Nov 12 2004, 11:38 AM)

Okay everyone. I thought I'd chime in with my two cents here. PURCHASED OCTOBER 5, 2004 Xbox v1.5 SmartXX v2.0 w/ Quicksolder Install (3327 OS) Xecuter BIOS 4983.67 1024k Samsung SD-616 DVD-ROM Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8mb Cache These modifications were done to this Xbox the moment it came out of it's retail box, so it was virgin in all sense of the word until I popped it's 6 cherries (torx screws). Anyways, installed EvoX at first cause I didn't know any better and used that for a while whilst using EvoX M8 BIOS. Then switched my BIOS to Xecuter 4983.67 BIOS, installed Avalaunch and UnleashX (which I currently use both, depending on my mood). Evolution-X is still currently installed; I just renamed it. ALL this is on C: drive. My E: has programs and my F: contains virtually everything else. My HDD in my Xbox is a virtual whore of dirty programs and stuff that M$ would have kittens over if they saw (Different .XBE's and all games that I OWN, of course). Got 3 month Live subscription, signed on (using the original BIOS option at the SmartXX startup screen), played Mortal Kombat: Deception, Dead or Alive: Ultimate, and Outrun 2. No problems whatsoever. Got French HALO 2 and saved games (which of course I NEVER signed on Xbox Live using the French game). Bought Halo 2 at Times Square at midnight. Played with French saves, signed onto Xbox Live, played some online deathmatch, no problems. Erased French game saves when all hell started to break loose here, signed onto Xbox Live, played for hours, signed on and off multiple times, still no problems. I'm on Live right now, been on for the better part of 4 hours now. No problems. Hope this helps somebody out. I'm not too tech savvy but this marriage theory looks like it may hold water. I'm pretty sure there's more to it than just that but I just wanted to let everyone know what my stats are as of right now. IF I do eventually get banned, well I'll just buy another Xbox or something but here's hoping I don't. If ANYONE has any questions for me, about my Xbox or whatever at all, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer them the best I can. I do have one question though... does the Xecuter BIOS 4983.67 w/ SmartXX chip prevent you from signing onto Xbox Live accidentally?

STILL not banned. I think it is safe to say that my Xbox has survived this wave of "ban attacks" by M$.

[-Gadget-]

QUOTE (cyesergio @ Nov 17 2004, 09:17 PM)

not even stuff on it!! NO unsigned code just a the installed to play backups. So I strongly believe this LPC thing....

how have u got ya C: set up
regarding ya dash etc .. ??

as its also been noted that they are checking default.xbe, and xboxdash.xbe files ..

Mick ..  

[Al_Ghazi]

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and to whoever said kai is better than live: sure, if you can stand the FUCKING LAG.

Well there is a surprising amount of ignorance out there regarding ICMP Ping.  if you know what a ping is then you should be able to manage a kai game without any significant lag.

In simpliest terms think of Ping in terms of sonar echo.  it tells you how far something else is away from YOU.  Ping can only relate to YOU - not to someone else.   You don't have a "bad ping" in the same way that you have "bad breath" - everyone else's pings are the round trip distance they are from YOU.

If you play on kai with other people who are in a similar gegraphical location and have decent connections then you can have a great game.  Plus the fact that you can see who is playing - where your freinds are etc... accross the entire estate of available games is pretty good too.

XBL is NOT a real service.  All MS does is BROKER connections.  For example:  When Ubisoft releases a game and wants to make it Live "compatible" they need to both pay MS for the right to make it Live compatible and then they have to setup the server farm to run the live game sessions.  All XBL does is redirect you to the Ubisoft servers - they don't host your games.  

M$ is a marketing genius.  the software publishers have to pay for XBL and we have to pay for XBL but XBL is nothing more that a simple matchmaking program that has minimal infrastructure.

Dump M$!  Thats what I say.   Bastards.  

bastards bastards bastards.  Bundgie too.  bastards.

Ghaz.

[mc_365]

Well here is my story.

Xbox V1.0
X2.2pro
X2 bios 4981.06 with live blocker
200Gig Maxtor swapped in July Played live up until october before first bannig wave
Stayed off Live october - november 16 alltogether.

Original HD was on live on and off with Different GamerTags for 2+ years.
Original HD had stuff all over.

Never Been Banned with either HD.

Ugraded HD Has all apps and dashes on F:/
Before trying Halo 2 live I formated C: and E:.
Extracted Slayers 2.5 on PC and FTP'd Retail C: and E: files to Xbox.
Turned Chip off, Put memory card with live account save.
Put Halo 2 in go to live tab put password in and took live update.
Played Halo 2 on live.

Never Played Halo 2 with chip on.

3 Days later.

Deleted all saves of game that where played with chip on (no new Live games played from backups).
Restarted Xbox With chip off.
Put memory card with live account in.
Go to live tab.
Recieve network error message.
Go to trouble shoot .
Get Modified Xbox Message.
No Live Account Found.

What did I do wrong? What theory does this lean towards?

[scared_of_msft]

QUOTE (mc_365 @ Nov 19 2004, 10:09 PM)

Well here is my story. . . . Ugraded HD Has all apps and dashes on F:/ . . . 3 Days later. . . . Get Modified Xbox Message. No Live Account Found. What did I do wrong? What theory does this lean towards?

There's been lots of evidence that MS has a database of EEPROMs, Gamertags, and HD serial numbers.  The EEPROM and HD are tied to each other when you go on live.  Changing your HD got you banned.

[dyinman]

Ghazi, you're in over your head. First of all, PING isn't a way to necessarily measure distance. It's the reponse time, no matter where they are geographically.
I can get a good game going with someone from england (i'm from midwestern USA) without any lag because we both had a low ping.
It's only a measure of how fast your connection is with someone else. That's all.

Also, M$ announcing that they block modded boxes because of their worries about cheaters is total bullshit. Think about how online gaming works in Halo.... You load a similar map, with the same values. If only one maps values are changed (rifle shooting rockets), then the game will freeze or boot you off that game. You can't force your map's values onto someone else's xbox. Your xbox will be saying "shoot rockets" while theirs is trying to read it as rifle rounds. It just doesn't work, unless cheating is native to the game in online mode.

Have you read any forums on this? They all say the same. Also, try it out for yourself sometime. It's just like trying to play the modded Halo map files (halo cxe for example) with someone who doesn't have the modded maps installed, it won't work, period. It's just M$ trying to make themselves look like the freakin good samaritan with "fair play" in mind. Since when is fair play a part of M$'s concern? Seriously? A monopoly concerned about fair play would be a new one to me...

They just couldn't win by suing everybody and pissing everyone off again. All they wanted was to ban the bastards who mod their boxes.

ALso to all you fellas out there trying to figure out how to not get blocked, here are some sure-fire ways you will.

A) booting a different bios before starting the game
B) changing significant files in the root of C
C) changing your hard drive after signing on to live, w/o changing to a virgin retail eeprom

As far as everythign else goes, XBOX2 will suck, just as halo2 sucked (yes, i said it)... who woudlnt' support backwards compatibility?

[feet14]

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XBL is NOT a real service. All MS does is BROKER connections. For example: When Ubisoft releases a game and wants to make it Live "compatible" they need to both pay MS for the right to make it Live compatible and then they have to setup the server farm to run the live game sessions. All XBL does is redirect you to the Ubisoft servers - they don't host your games. M$ is a marketing genius. the software publishers have to pay for XBL and we have to pay for XBL but XBL is nothing more that a simple matchmaking program that has minimal infrastructure.

The point of XBL is that it integrates the online gaming experience, transparent to the user. I don't care that games are hosted by direct Xbox to Xbox communication.