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[knodi]

Ok I got banned on 16th, OCT this month. I got a new eeprom on the 17th and I was back on LIVE. Now today 18th I'm banned again. The strange thing is that I haven't played any game in that time. I havn't play any games! all I used was Avalaunch and XBMC. Yet I'm still banned somehow.
All my app and backup games are on the F partition so there is so way LIVE can see it. I have safe bios X2 4981.06 runing on Xbit. and I have a Maxtor 60gig harddrive installed.

How is this posible? I haven't play any games yet I was banned.

Something strange is going on. And of all the time this happens just before the Halo 2 release.

[A.Z.BEST]

Ok, so we fly to this thread. NP. I wanted to write it in my thread, but here you get it:

It may be possible that MS does it (spiesssss), but look at the point; this dashboard (5659) is pretty old and if M$ ever wanted to scan HDDs content it had this possibility much earlier! What I mean is that we have no fucking idea about the dash possibilities and what it can. I doubt that hdd content scanning was there for ages and it's activated right now- but it is actually one of the possibilities. Without any new software (which might be those "dangerous" games) MS cannot remotely put an application just for the moment of scanning the harddrive, cause Xbox and all the other consoles are just consoles- machines that can launch only one (but multistreaming) application at once. Every app is an OS for the Xbox- you can't launch any more program or add a data stream to it just like on your computer. ORRRR you may do it if you write such an app for the Xbox . It's just crazy. So either it's the MS dash- real pandora box or the new games that spy the consoles.

I've forgotten one thing that connects you all- ppl who got banned at least once, and then banned again. You all have the same HDD!! M$ maybe doesn't care if you have changed your HDD, but the only way to detect that it's the same console (physically) is to scan HDDs serial number. So i think that changing the EEPROM is not enough- think about changing the HDD.

Tell me one more thing; what games have you been playing before the first ban?

[sakuraix]

I am thinking that the HDD serial theory is the best theory right now.  I tried an experiment last night.  I converted my Xbox back to stock, EVERYTHING stock.  Since I never opened my Xbox before, that was as easy as restoring my hard drive back to the stock backup I had made before I ever done anything with UDE.  Then I replaced with a new EEPROM.  Deleted the 007AUF save.  (All of the previous steps were done while my Xbox was DISCONNECTED from the Internet).  Recovered my XBL account.  Back on Live.  Played on Live last night with Rallisport Challenge 2.  Tried to connect this morning.  Banned.  The ONLY way my Xbox was different from a stock Xbox was the new EEPROM.

[Mekapo]

QUOTE (sakuraix @ Oct 18 2004, 11:33 AM)

I am thinking that the HDD serial theory is the best theory right now.  I tried an experiment last night.  I converted my Xbox back to stock, EVERYTHING stock.  Since I never opened my Xbox before, that was as easy as restoring my hard drive back to the stock backup I had made before I ever done anything with UDE.  Then I replaced with a new EEPROM.  Deleted the 007AUF save.  (All of the previous steps were done while my Xbox was DISCONNECTED from the Internet).  Recovered my XBL account.  Back on Live.  Played on Live last night with Rallisport Challenge 2.  Tried to connect this morning.  Banned.  The ONLY way my Xbox was different from a stock Xbox was the new EEPROM.

 yowza... I was gonna do that but it seems like its a no go as well.  That new Xbox bundle is looking more and more attractive as the days go by...

[Tsharkou]

OK there is some substance to your theory and here is some possible backing;  I have a cashe extender installed with three HHDs (1:256G-Games/Movies/Music, 2:160G MCE, 3:80G-Turned into stock with just XL save DATA). Now when I got banned and account erased I was using my 250G for everything encluding live play w/ chip off....I had changed Eeproms about 7 times using the same Gamertag.

Now I got a new box (eeprom) with the same setup but now using the 80G for live and live only, no other save data or files....The strongest key to the whole deal is that I got a new GT.....what I figured was that no matter how many times I changed eeproms it was all under the same GT which I'm sure was being logged as to how many times my GT was being banned regardless if I owned 10 different boxs (eeproms technically) it was all under the same GT and HHD.

[knodi]

I was playing h2 before.

So what your saying is that my GT has been flaged.

What if it get a new unmodded xbox will get get banned even if its unmodded?

I don't want to change my gamer tag.

This post has been edited by knodi on Oct 18 2004, 10:35 PM

[Tsharkou]

Yes that is what I am saying....you will get banned today, tomorrow, next week but it will happen if your using the sam GT that was being used on a modded box before

[A.Z.BEST]

No. M$ cannot flag the gamertags. It would be simply illegal. Think that you take your gamer tag on a memory card to your friend. He says, that the console is unmodded, blablabla. But when you go to toilet the guy is switching the chip on, launching som "dangerous game" and tags your gamertag. I know it's an absurd, but just think. You come to your home again and your REALLY unmodded Xbox is banned. Not possible. It would be totally illegal if M$ has done something like this. It can be the HDD serial number- the most possible. Think people. Use your imagination, let's find all the possible reasons and talk about them. I'm getting mad. I wanna go online safely...

[Tsharkou]

I don't know when was the last time you've done that, but considering I had to restore my eeprom 7 times in the last month or so...everytime I had to recover my account, the messgae that has been poping up in the past few months is that your account is now only good on this xbox.  Meaning, you can't put it on a memory card anymore, trust I've tried "this account is not valid" is the messgae that pops up or something to that effect.  Trust they can flag GT's I am a victim of that...I felt it on 14 OCT 2004  look at my thread about XBL banning.

[Tsharkou]

You see everytime you change your eeprom, you essentially have just bought or cloned another xbox--so to speak.  But the one thing that keeps ties to the old one is your GT and that same HHD.  I am not disputing the HHD theory, because I believe that is a strong factor here because you can change that eeprom but not the HHD info accept unique key.  However the name brand and characteristics remain the same in the eeprom about the HHD (size and manufaturer).  Meaning that M$ can view the size of the drive and if it is a seagate 8G or Maxtor 250G simply by viewing your eeprom.

[A.Z.BEST]

CODE

[EEPROMDATA] XBOXSerial   = "XXXXXX" XBOXMAC  = "XXXXXXX" OnlineKey   = "XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX" #ONLY Use NTSC or PAL for VideoMode VideoMode   = "PAL" #ONLY Use 01, 02 or 04 for XBE Region XBERegion   = "04" HDDKey  = "XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX" Confounder= "XXXXXXXXX"

All taken from EEPROM.cfg file of my Xbox. As you can see when you replace the EEPROM you change the HDD key and HDD online key, but the HDD serial number remains all the time the same and it's not stored in EEPROM. It's stored only in the HDD, so it means that M$ is using some new spying technichs- but that was a sure thing when we've heard about for the first time . You got banned so many times beacause you had the same HW all the time. And M$ detects it somehow.

So actually there are few solutions: EEPROM change and back to the stock HDD. Try it if you can. My friends were so dumb that they've forgotten to unlock thise 8-10 gigs, and they have changed EEPROMs 2-3 times, and forgot to make a backup of the first, stock configuration. Too bad, heh .

The second solution is to buy a new xbox.

But I don't fucking get it. Doesn't M$ loose any money on every produced and sold console? I've heard that it's about 20$ of lost these days for MS. We all use original games and bios, but they're banning us. What's the point M$? You can't find the scene and piracy, but XBL was a good argument to buy original games. There are about 9,5 months of my subscription left, and I think that I won't continue it if they will be banning me and pushing me to buy another Xbox.

[knodi]

sakuraix says he changed the back to the stock Harddrive and he still got banned.

This is strange. What are they looking at the cache drives?

I this all started when I switched from EvoX to Avalaunch.

I removed Avalaunch and went back to EvoX. Now I wait and see if I get banned again or not.

[dzv]

knodi, is it possible that the new EEPROM you bought was also sold to somebody else and that person got it banned?  How reliable is your source of the new EEPROM?

[A.Z.BEST]

AFAIK; he has only deleted all the unneeded files, so the HDD looked like a stock one- cause he's using a stock one actually . It didn't help cause it was the same HDD and it had the same serial number. It would be best if he could say what he did...

I'm checking my "banned state" every 2 hours and it's fine now. And I did all the bad things- including launching M$ dash with chip on and few more crimes ;P.

dzv: I gave 4 EEPROMs for my friends. I'm sure that none of those consoles ever went on Live, but the guys got banned as well o_O. It's not only about the EEPROMs anymore...

[sakuraix]

QUOTE (knodi @ Oct 18 2004, 03:31 PM)

sakuraix says he changed the back to the stock Harddrive and he still got banned. This is strange. What are they looking at the cache drives? I this all started when I switched from EvoX to Avalaunch. I removed Avalaunch and went back to EvoX. Now I wait and see if I get banned again or not.

Well, to make it clear, I have always been using the stock hard drive.  Remember, I have never opened my Xbox, so I did not replace the hard drive (I used UDE).  So, I didn't change the hard drive back to the stock one, I just restored a backup I made before I modified it (which included both the C and the E drives).  The HDD theory still holds, I am still using the same hard drive.  This experiment just proved that even though the HDD has nothing "mod-like" on it, I still got banned for the new EEPROM (which means MS is not scanning hard drives).

This post has been edited by sakuraix on Oct 19 2004, 01:59 AM