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A.Z.BEST

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« Reply #60 on: October 20, 2004, 11:42:00 PM »
QUOTE (Orangey @ Oct 21 2004, 03:04 AM)
Correct me if I am wrong..

But with regular stock XBOX's, the EEPROM is tied to the Hard Drive. So in other words a Stock Hard Drive from Box "A" can't be used in Box "B" unless it is unlocked, etc...

So, If MS banned you once and they recorded the Drive Serial. Then they see you playing again with the same Drive Serial but different EEPROM, they ban you again, and again. This seems to be the case 90% of the time lately. The other 10% are just the normal idiots who accidentally sign in with the Chip On, etc. Has anyone reflashed their EEPROM, and changed Hard Drives and been banned?

Just my 2 Cents, as I'm definitley no expert on the subject.

Yup. Exactly. That's what I am saying from the past two days. There's wasn't anybody who has reflashed the EEPROM and changed the HDD yet, but I have sent an EEPROM to one guy and he will also change the HDD.

Think about one more thing now; If you've ever played on your stock Xbox on XBL and now you wanna mod it and change the HDD, you will also have to change the EEPROM. Uhhh... M$ mad.gif .
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« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2004, 12:18:00 AM »
QUOTE (Penfoldian @ Oct 20 2004, 11:20 AM)
Another Quick Thing!  

I just would like to know, is it people with AVALAUNCH being banned?

No, because I haven't been banned yet.
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« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2004, 12:46:00 AM »
Been watching this thread with interest as have most people.

I have one modded machine (Xecuter1, 80GB HD, MS BIOS) which was banned due to someone stupid going online with the chip on many moons ago. At the time the machine had the stock HDD in.

Since then I swapped back in the 80GB HD and change EEPROM at the same time. I dont use the mod in the machine anymore given its such an old chip and I havent been online in the last 3 days since all this noise started happening.

I'll be online tonight and I'll be using the same gamertag that was used when the machine was originally banned... I'll let you know how I get on.
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« Reply #63 on: October 21, 2004, 01:41:00 AM »
QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Oct 21 2004, 07:45 AM)
Yup. Exactly. That's what I am saying from the past two days. There's wasn't anybody who has reflashed the EEPROM and changed the HDD yet, but I have sent an EEPROM to one guy and he will also change the HDD.

Think about one more thing now; If you've ever played on your stock Xbox on XBL and now you wanna mod it and change the HDD, you will also have to change the EEPROM. Uhhh... M$ mad.gif .

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« Reply #64 on: October 21, 2004, 02:15:00 AM »
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« Reply #65 on: October 21, 2004, 03:19:00 AM »
Well I think that HDD has nothing to do with banning because I *strongly* doubt that M$ can check hard disk content or s/n. I'm almost 99% sure that the problem is NOT hard disk but other.

I think that if you get banned all you need to do is to replace the EEPROM and that's enough to "unban the system". The fact that now many people (including me) are getting banned again even after replacing EEPROM has to do with the fact that probably M$ now also checks GamerTags and all the ones who have been already banned one time in the past. They probably can know many things looking at the EEPROM informations.... more than we can imagine! For example they could know in what country an xbox with that EEPROM number has been distributed and sold, after all every company in this world can know where their products have been distributed looking at numbers.

For example I bought my xbox in Italy (where I live) so I had an italian EEPROM in my xbox (in fact when I turned on my console for the first time language was already set by default to italian). Now that I was banned with my original EEPROM I bought 2 more ones on the Net. After installing the first one I noticed that the language was set to FRENCH by default (so I suppose that EEPROM had ben taken from a french xbox...). Then after a day I was banned again so I installed the other EEPROM I had bought and noticed that this time default language was set to ENGLISH! So I suppose there's some kind of country number and M$ can recognize, simply looking at EEPROMs, where a console has been distributed and sold. It would be interesting to try replacing my EEPROM with an EEPROM taken from another italian xbox but I don't have any.....

To sum it up my theory is that once M$ bans you for the first time they keep your GameTag in a black list and when you connect again with that GameTag they check if your EEPROM is from a xbox sold in your country or not. If not, you get banned again because they notice you're using an EEPROM from a system not sold in your country so they know that you replaced it. I know, you could say "what about if I bought my xbox online from a store in another country?". Well you could do that but I think M$ don't care if your GamerTag has already been banned one time...

These are only my theories of course!
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« Reply #66 on: October 21, 2004, 03:24:00 AM »
well my experiance, my friend had my Xbox and  which has an Xecuter 2.3b lite and a 250 gig western digital hdd inside, now he turned this chip off while the console was still on and then did a soft reboot, IGR in other words.  Then tried to get on live, there for he got my box banned. he was using his gamer tag on that box, and i just hooked up my brand new 1.6 stock, and had his GT on a mem card, and signed on just fine and havn't been banned yet.
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« Reply #67 on: October 21, 2004, 08:14:00 AM »
QUOTE (JaXbox @ Oct 21 2004, 12:14 PM)
....it's simply a question of if they are practicing it or not (and if so, is it illegal) uhh.gif

interesting view. for I have wondered this also they can do it, but aint there laws that protect us from them accessing our "property" of which they still assume belongs to them.
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« Reply #68 on: October 21, 2004, 08:29:00 AM »
Hmmm....

OK so far we do have a few folks that haven't been banned yet from what I see in this thread. And these are cats who's setups are no different than the rest of us.
Whether they're running on stock or upgraded hdd's, modified dash or regular dash.... The difference between them and us is that these people have never made the mistake by signing on to XBL while their chip is on....

So is it correct to say that only people who have been banned in the past are now being banned left and right no matter what changes they make to their Xbox's?

It sure seems that way. Which leads one to believe that M$ is retaliating for the Halo 2 leak and has pulled the plug on GamerTags that have banned systems in the past....
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« Reply #69 on: October 21, 2004, 09:28:00 AM »
i know nothing about this but doesnt the mac address of the xbox ussually stay the same that could be another identifyer
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« Reply #70 on: October 21, 2004, 09:54:00 AM »
Mac address changes when u use new eeprom. Then again I cant remember, but I have been banned before and I'm still ok...
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« Reply #71 on: October 21, 2004, 09:55:00 AM »
QUOTE ([D]J @ Oct 21 2004, 11:22 AM)
Well I think that HDD has nothing to do with banning because I *strongly* doubt that M$ can check hard disk content or s/n. I'm almost 99% sure that the problem is NOT hard disk but other.

I think that if you get banned all you need to do is to replace the EEPROM and that's enough to "unban the system". The fact that now many people (including me) are getting banned again even after replacing EEPROM has to do with the fact that probably M$ now also checks GamerTags and all the ones who have been already banned one time in the past. They probably can know many things looking at the EEPROM informations.... more than we can imagine! For example they could know in what country an xbox with that EEPROM number has been distributed and sold, after all every company in this world can know where their products have been distributed looking at numbers.

For example I bought my xbox in Italy (where I live) so I had an italian EEPROM in my xbox (in fact when I turned on my console for the first time language was already set by default to italian). Now that I was banned with my original EEPROM I bought 2 more ones on the Net. After installing the first one I noticed that the language was set to FRENCH by default (so I suppose that EEPROM had ben taken from a french xbox...). Then after a day I was banned again so I installed the other EEPROM I had bought and noticed that this time default language was set to ENGLISH! So I suppose there's some kind of country number and M$ can recognize, simply looking at EEPROMs, where a console has been distributed and sold. It would be interesting to try replacing my EEPROM with an EEPROM taken from another italian xbox but I don't have any.....

To sum it up my theory is that once M$ bans you for the first time they keep your GameTag in a black list and when you connect again with that GameTag they check if your EEPROM is from a xbox sold in your country or not. If not, you get banned again because they notice you're using an EEPROM from a system not sold in your country so they know that you replaced it. I know, you could say "what about if I bought my xbox online from a store in another country?". Well you could do that but I think M$ don't care if your GamerTag has already been banned one time...

These are only my theories of course!

And that's how you deny your own theory. I know people in Poland who bought their Xboxes in Germany and guess what... They did not get banned  dry.gif . M$ has no right to do it. What if I move from Denmark to England? Should I get banned for it? M$ HAS NO RIGHT to ban people for reasons that may be illegal and not fair. M$ doesn't allow any modification of the Xbox. They can't prohibit changing the adress. EVERY theory that can be disputed because of its illegality, even by a smallest doubt, can not be implemented. Xbox can be a M$' machine, they have written some rules about the Xbox Live and it's only our fault if we don't keep them.

Just think this way: If M$ saves hdd's s/n and EEPROM data it's extremely easy to check if the Xbox was ever modded (if ever banned first). Remember, that M$ actually DOES NOT allow any hardware modifiaction of your console, if you want to play on XBL. What I mean is: when you had been playing on XBL on stock hdd and after few months you have decided to change the HDD and continue XBL, you're banned. Why? M$ gets the hdds s/n and EEPROM as soon as you connect to the XBL, if the EEPROM is ok, but the HDD has a different s/n than last time, it means that the Xbox was modded. And so on- if the Xbox has different EEPROM and the same HDD as (theoreticaly) another Xbox had before, it's being banned again. Now banning means ban to the EEPROM and to the HDD. But it's nothing proved yet. I hope it won't take much time.

Try to remember it: Every theory, which can disputed for legal reasons, can not be implemented as a term of Xbox Live... because it would be illegal, duh.

Though... We all know that when we have bought an Xbox we should be the only ones who has the right to do what we want with it. But because "modding" means a possibility to launch illegal software (in case of consoles), it's in most cases illegal. And that's what M$ is fighting this way. You can add 100 LEDs (stupid- but it's also illegal) to an Xbox and you won't get banned until you will start modding the integral parts of Xbox- data and devices which store data- cause only this can be checked remotely. They have to figure out some inteligent screws for their next console xD.

When you remove the first sticker from the Xbox, there's a possibility that you will also use illegal software- that's why M$ doesn't allow any modification, but DOES give you a good service and warranty for their product instead of homebrew software.
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« Reply #72 on: October 21, 2004, 10:12:00 AM »
QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Oct 21 2004, 05:58 PM)
...They have to figure out some inteligent screws for their next console xD...

 rotfl.gif  HAHAHA! thats funny !!!

Is it correct for me to assume that in production of thier product they knew that all this could be done in the first place? I mean did not they allready have a system in place to ban those with modified h/w?
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« Reply #73 on: October 21, 2004, 10:23:00 AM »
QUOTE (Penfoldian @ Oct 21 2004, 06:15 PM)
rotfl.gif  HAHAHA! thats funny !!!

Is it correct for me to assume that in production of thier product they knew that all this could be done in the first place? I mean did not they allready have a system in place to ban those with modified h/w?

Right on, M$ made the xbox easy to chip. its all a part of the "Master Plan"
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« Reply #74 on: October 21, 2004, 10:56:00 AM »
QUOTE (Penfoldian @ Oct 21 2004, 05:57 PM)
Mac address changes when u use new eeprom. Then again I cant remember, but I have been banned before and I'm still ok...

Are you running Evox or any other dash?
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