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[InvidiousDemise]

More shit to buy? Golly gee willakers I guess I'll have to get this when I decide to do a slim.

[SNAAAKE]

shouldn't it already come with the tx coolrunner...

meh not buying. my slim loads fines..takes 5 something seconds maybe..I used keyner wrapping wire and not the wires come with tx coolrunner.

[Exobex]

QUOTE(Blargharg @ Dec 5 2011, 05:53 AM)

I really don't understand why this can't be done with a few resistors. I mean seriously, what is the logic here? What's the science behind this? Or is it just trial and error, throw shit at the wall and see what sticks type of thing? Also, while I'm perfectly happy to pay 5$ for a QSB that saves me time on install & is reusable for future dumps/writes, I'd much rather stick with the 50cm wire than pay another 4 bucks for this.. this thing.

It's not down to resistance, it's down to timing, namely the time it takes for the signal to travel down half a metre of wire. Look at any modern motherboard and you'll see bus tracks wiggling, it's done to ensure all the tracks of the bus are the same length and the bits therefore arrive simultaneously.

Half a metre of wire will do the job just as well, but ideally will need to be tacked in place in a location where it's not going to interfere with or pick up interference from other tracks. The fact that the wire on this new PCB zigzags ought to help in that respect as well, coil it and it becomes an inductor. This is a neater way to pack in a 50cm wire that's going to stay put without needing to be glued in place.

QUOTE(SNAAAKE @ Dec 5 2011, 07:50 AM)

shouldn't it already come with the tx coolrunner...

Definitely.

[BoNg420]

QUOTE(col12 @ Dec 5 2011, 08:17 AM)

tell you what executer everyone that bought a coolrunner send them one for free so the device ie coolrunner works as it should. starting to get like m$ greedy

the cool runner has been out in the wild for a while now we have had lots of feed back from testers NOT MEAN LOYAL CUSTOMERS .we have made a product that will make the product you bought from us work

Oh come on now, you paid $20 + sh to be a beta tester!

[LordX]

Very lame PCB ,
many solder pads for deferent size , why not to use 1 pad for a wire and jumpers ?! even solder jumpers.
and why not to found away to fix the CPU_RST in the first place and make it more stable without all this lame tricks.

[Blackaddr]

This is getting out of hand with all these silly wire lengths and loops.

If you install your CPLD board right next to the CPU_RST point, and keep the wire under 1" there shouldn't be any interference on that signal.  Why does everyone insist on putting it on top of the AVIP? Sure it's easy, but you're giving yourself bigger headaches.

If you try different timing values in the CPLD you can also optimize the timing for your particular console.  Why spends days playing with wire lengths, spend an afternoon to learn to compile you own JED.

50 cm wires with loops?  Come on, KISS.

[ninja x]

not bad for people buying it now... not good for early adopters + damn right it should've come in the kit.

kinda pisses me off - but that's the name of the game with technology. everyone is in a hurry to be the first out to make a sell - then they take their time to improve the product progressively.

[shtewps]

Jesus.. add a f*cking switch FFS. Not 50 pads to constantly move your wires to while testing.

You need this to improve your coolrunner, now come out with something to improve this BEFORE people buy it.

(agreed it should come bundled with kits -- resellers should be offering this item at cost for customers who have already purchased a CR)

[xiaNaix]

QUOTE(SNAAAKE @ Dec 5 2011, 02:50 AM)

shouldn't it already come with the tx coolrunner...

meh not buying. my slim loads fines..takes 5 something seconds maybe..I used keyner wrapping wire and not the wires come with tx coolrunner.

if its included - what a complete waste of time and money for those that buy a coolrunner who are going to mod a phat

some of you need to think before typing

and if yours is booting in 5 seconds - then why would you even consider getting this ? You wouldn't.

Its also nothing to do with the wire you use. The impedance of that wire supplied with the coolrunner is the same as kynar

This seems like a great addon to make the job even easier than before. You dont want it ? keep your $3.95 and dont buy it. simple.

[xiaNaix]

QUOTE(shtewps @ Dec 5 2011, 12:28 PM)

Jesus.. add a f*cking switch FFS. Not 50 pads to constantly move your wires to while testing.

You need this to improve your coolrunner, now come out with something to improve this BEFORE people buy it.

(agreed it should come bundled with kits -- resellers should be offering this item at cost for customers who have already purchased a CR)

A switch doesn't work - it plays with the impedance of the line - there was a big discussion about it on IRC. You dont think this stuff is tested while its being made ? So naive.....

And why should free ones be offered ? this is a tool to make a job easier - not to fix something that was broken

All you armchair complainers - why dont you make your own solutions instead of whining like little bitches ?

QUOTE(Blackaddr @ Dec 5 2011, 10:29 AM)

This is getting out of hand with all these silly wire lengths and loops.

If you install your CPLD board right next to the CPU_RST point, and keep the wire under 1" there shouldn't be any interference on that signal.  Why does everyone insist on putting it on top of the AVIP? Sure it's easy, but you're giving yourself bigger headaches.

If you try different timing values in the CPLD you can also optimize the timing for your particular console.  Why spends days playing with wire lengths, spend an afternoon to learn to compile you own JED.

50 cm wires with loops?  Come on, KISS.

Your comment was useless and ill informed about why this is required in the first place

its nothing to do with resistance and everything to do with timing.

if you think its as easy as making your own CPLD code then go for it and share with everyone.......

You have to laugh at some of you - you post like you're technical in any way and that you know more than the engineers who work at places like Xecuter lol  

QUOTE(LordX @ Dec 5 2011, 08:53 AM)

Very lame PCB ,
many solder pads for deferent size , why not to use 1 pad for a wire and jumpers ?! even solder jumpers.
and why not to found away to fix the CPU_RST in the first place and make it more stable without all this lame tricks.

Jumpers were tested - as well as switches - they affected the impedance. if you had any clue you'd understand this. Same reason as to why a cable hardness wasn't used on the coolrunner. You don't think all this is tested first ? Similar conversations on IRC about it and you had to laugh at the kids who thought they knew more. the naivety is staggering - but its video games scene - what do you expect?

maybe you should fix the CPU_RST issue in the first place because you are obviously smarter than Tiros who spent over a year designing the hack......

[cornnatron]

Im sorry to say xiaNaix but i think Blackaddr knows what he is talking about
he was also involved with first jtag i thought
and as far as i know he came up with the Transistor wiring with aud clamp for the first jtag
so more than enough technical knowhow

could you tell me where you helped with the scene or did you just read the irc.
becouse your comming over like a true Xecuter fanboy.


@blackaddr any tips on finding better timings for specific consoles?

[X4life3]

Why are people complaining about this? If you dont want to spent the money dont and just wait 30+ seconds for it to boot, its not like you HAVE to use this its just a option. Ive tried everything to get my console booting in under 45 seconds, if they helps it I will use it.

[ruciz]

People do realize that this is aimed 100% at professional installers? People who are doing 5+ consoles a day?

the average joe end user can cut their 50cm wire back 3CM at a time and it will do the EXACT same thing! Against what the diagram says I guess the intentionally extra long wire isn't needed!
TX is admitting that their 50CM long slim wire IS a failure and this (which should really be included with the CoolRunners, esp now that they retail for $13/100) may help? The benefit of this is you quickly swap pads until you find the optimal length - no worries of board damage (then again if you are good at soldering there isn't either!)

If you want- get one of these, test the different lengths, find a suitable one and then remove and install a wire that long. Simple as that. Use the board on another slim to repeat.

Alternatively, cut and coil wires at 50, 47, 44, etc and keep trying until one is suitable.

I just tweaked a slim from usual 80-400 sec boots to under 20 sec every time by shortening their 50CM wire to a 32CM length as suggested by other teams/researchers. This is NOT measured, and is definitely shorter than 32CM but I cut off 3cm of wire at a time, 6 times, trialing between. Once you take into acct stripping, tinning, trimming Im likely at 31CM.. Its possible 29cm may work even better too, but Im satisfied.

I tested the unit 2 ways, which results seem to differ at other lengths.

1- cold boot (unplugged for 15 sec or longer)
2- warm boot (powered down orange light on PSU for 15 sec or longer)

Every time it boots in under 30 seconds now. Nominally 5-15 sec with favor to a 'warm' boot. The odd boot takes 20 sec. I have yet to hit over 30 seconds though with 15 boots. I have read some people get 5 sec 'cold' boots and really long 'warm' boots. If this is the case I suggest swapping from 3V3_STBY to 3V3 point. It will make every boot a cold boot...

Really wish TX would get it together tho. When these released they sucked with slims and jaspers.. After some trials, people figured out that the jaspers are stubborn need a cap. so TX include 68nF capacitor. Now they are admitting their 50CM wire isn't the best plan but rather than include the possible fix - they sell it separately at 20-33% of coolrunner cost.

To those who will shell out $16 to get it after shipping, I sincerely *hope* its worth it... compared to cutting back or getting 3.5M of wire to test all the lengths.

[SNAAAKE]

QUOTE(xiaNaix @ Dec 5 2011, 01:40 PM)

if its included - what a complete waste of time and money for those that buy a coolrunner who are going to mod a phat

some of you need to think before typing

and if yours is booting in 5 seconds - then why would you even consider getting this ? You wouldn't.

Its also nothing to do with the wire you use. The impedance of that wire supplied with the coolrunner is the same as kynar

This seems like a great addon to make the job even easier than before. You dont want it ? keep your $3.95 and dont buy it. simple.

how much does a qsb cost? like 10 cents? time...mass produced in factory?

I dont need it for my own slim. but Id like it come with my $20 tx coolrunner package because I am a modder and doing this for people too. I dont wanna pay $20 for a half-assed product. thats why the qsb should come with with coolrunner so I have the FULL complete product so I can install it for my customer's xboxes.

doesnt matter for those of us already bought some tx coolrunner. I am not expecting these qsb for free because I bought some txc already. but for FUTURE orders I am expecting it to come with the qsb.

[Exobex]

QUOTE(cornnatron @ Dec 5 2011, 08:05 PM)

Im sorry to say xiaNaix but i think Blackaddr knows what he is talking about

could you tell me where you helped with the scene or did you just read the irc.
becouse your comming over like a true Xecuter fanboy.

If you put xiaNaix into Google you'll find that he was responsible for the PSX-Scene and WiiNewz forums (before they were turned over to Caputo and WiiNewz turned to shit, but that's another story). He's not new to the scene, far from it.

Me, before you ask? Only a few bits and bobs made out of personal necessity and released to the public (Freelock, the 0.7 revision of raincoat, X360SAM).

You?