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[Evi1d33d]

QUOTE(beasty54 @ Apr 26 2011, 01:24 AM)

XGD3 isn't a disc format, its a file structure. The new games using this file structure are on the same DL-DVDs that they have always been on, microsoft have simply changed the structure to give them an extra 1gb of usable space.

Team Xecuter has some info about the new XGD3 format:

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The data reads larger than a DVD+R DL – but that may be faked / new protection so we will see.
The disc updates dash to 2.0.13140.0
Testing begins…….

Source: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=730409

[CelerionQ]

Because too many people believe that this does make jtags and drive flashes obsolete I tried to make a comparison between the x360key, ixtreme lt+ and jtag hack:
http://bit.ly/hpBKrj (Link to Google Docs PDF)

[nbrooks311]

Frickin awesome if its true but also gotta be expensive as shit.

[sminitis]

that means we can load isos from an external hard drive?

[guily666]

BIG WTF.

I wonder why no one ever knew anything about it, And it goes out exactly at the point where M$ flashes our drives, and drives firmwares = dying...

I bet they will ask 100$ 4 it. Sadly Im gonna have to pass this, I wont waste more money with the 360. Sooner i will acquire a new PC  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) .


ps: But Hell... GOOD NEWS. though too bad it's not a new bug that would allow us to j-tag every 360, if that was the case, i would give 100$ and more 4 it...
Keep Cool

This post has been edited by guily666: Apr 26 2011, 02:05 AM

[symbal]

Holy Hard Drive Batman.

[sudeki300]

ok ley me get this right in my head, so ineffect it;s sort of like a xbox jailbreak donlge so to speak. you just plug this little sucker with the external hdd containing games. thne you can just run them from that, is the original disk still needed in the drive any just any disc.......................sudeki300

[nvcheeko]

So will this work on unmodded 360
I have the Wode for Wii and they have a great product if the rumors are true that they made it..

[XOR101]

QUOTE(sudeki300 @ Apr 26 2011, 03:10 AM)

ok ley me get this right in my head, so ineffect it;s sort of like a xbox jailbreak donlge so to speak. you just plug this little sucker with the external hdd containing games. thne you can just run them from that, is the original disk still needed in the drive any just any disc.......................sudeki300

No you still need to open the 360 and put something between the sata of the DVD drive and the xbox  

[wolrahnaes]

QUOTE(klbarnes1 @ Apr 25 2011, 06:21 PM)

DUDE can this be used on a regular xbox 360 thats not modded and soon to be xbox live supported.  This thing sounds great.  Although dual layer dvds are as low as 50 cents per disk this still sounds pretty damn cool!!!

As far as "modded" or not, to the Xbox this would appear the same as a firmware flashed DVD drive.  I haven't kept up on things, but if it's possible to currently be "stealth" with backups on a flashed drive, this could also be equally stealthy.  You still would have to void the warranty to install it.

QUOTE(fratslop @ Apr 25 2011, 06:50 PM)

!!!!! I wonder if this will ever be able to launch homebrew.... Never thought I would see anything like this!

No. See above.

QUOTE(dragoscojan @ Apr 25 2011, 06:56 PM)

so how many really?

There's no reason to believe it's not nearly all 360 games and 360-compatible originals.  I expect there will be some initial bugs, but the released information implies upgradeability, so those being fixed over time is not a major stretch.

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and since the beta 2.0.13141 dash can flash the dvd drives,i think this device can be easily made useless with a dashboard update.

See above, if it can be upgraded it can remain equal to a flashed DVD drive.  Since it's good practice for flashed drive users to hold back on dash updates anyways, assuming the company behind the device is timely with their updates I wouldn't anticipate this being a problem.  It could also possibly emulate older drives which the dash does not flash.

QUOTE(XOR101 @ Apr 25 2011, 06:56 PM)

hmmm hard to believe...

You're right to be skeptical, this is the console mod community after all, but it's not like they're claiming anything infeasible.  SATA device emulation is not exactly rocket science, for the most part it's just following the spec and returning the data desired.  If you've ever used Daemon Tools or similar, it's doing the same thing entirely in software (though it emulates SCSI rather than SATA to my knowledge [though that gets to be a strange distinction since both PATA and SATA CD-ROM drives use ATAPI to encapsulate SCSI commands on ATA]).

QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Apr 25 2011, 07:14 PM)

The key word is Linux. We can probably reverse engineer the firmware and run it of our computers. Once the linux OS is dumped then there's no way for M$ to shut it down.

My best guess is that this is an ARM or MIPS processor of some sort running Linux connected over a decently high speed bus to a FPGA which handles the majority of the SATA interface.  It may have Linux operating the user-facing bits, but the loader application and the FPGA code (if I'm right) will likely be closed source.  Here's hoping I'm wrong on that.  In any case though, it will require custom hardware and likely is running custom software compiled for a processor that's not x86, so running the firmware on a normal computer is very unlikely.

QUOTE(xmugen360 @ Apr 25 2011, 07:19 PM)

i must say incredible news i bet ms rues the day they allowed usb removable media to be formatted to/by the 360 filesystem...with that said this has to be $100 n up...wonder if there method can be reversed...and here i remember laughing at a thread here about emulating the 360rom drive my apologies that fellow was right all along...

This has nothing at all to do with the official USB removable media support.  The USB drive does not get plugged in to the console, but in to the box that now sits between the motherboard and the DVD drive.

QUOTE(PirateElf @ Apr 25 2011, 07:53 PM)

My only qualm about this thing is it seems presumptuous that it would work after this new dashboard drops.. Unless they are planning to release after it drops and after testing....

See fourth response.

QUOTE(sminitis @ Apr 25 2011, 08:49 PM)

that means we can load isos from an external hard drive?

Whether it would be entirely that simple has yet to be determined, but that's the basic idea.  The process for getting the backups on to the hard drive may be a bit more complicated than just dragging the image over, but as far as I can tell there's no reason it has to be so it may in fact be just that easy.

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QUOTE(40_ounce @ Apr 25 2011, 09:17 PM)

I'm surprised no one asked if they could be banned for using this... lol.... Very interesting device.

And in case anyone is wondering, as noted in the first response, the 360 would see this exactly the same as a flashed DVD drive.  They'd detect it in the same way and ban for the same reasons.  It could also be stealthed in the same ways.  If all current protections are properly emulated, it should be equal to a good firmware.

[40_ounce]

I'm surprised no one asked if they could be banned for using this... lol.... Very interesting device.

[pif001]

OK so basically this one ONLY emulates the sata drive just like the wode wii...correct?! It is not like they are capable of running any unsigned code in a way similar to the JTAG...nice for most people, yet my JTAG is way better. I will definitely pre-order as soon as reliable teams test this thing...

[Evi1d33d]

QUOTE(40_ounce @ Apr 26 2011, 02:17 AM)

I'm surprised no one asked if they could be banned for using this... lol.... Very interesting device.

No Xbox Live support yet so probably highly detectable as of now.

[DMagic1]

Wow, if this is real.........

[Twis7eD]

This is amazing! I can't wait to hear more about this as the developers decide to release more information. Hopefully they get LIVE capabilities to work, but even if they don't, I still think I'll be buying one of these.