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[prankster360]

QUOTE(foundmy @ Dec 1 2010, 02:11 PM)

As I stated before maximus informed that if you have to prep a drive currently (rebuild pcb, cut traces etc) you still have to do it with this,  this just removed the need for a PC.

I think some people jumped the gun when they stated it didnt need cut traces etc.

Someone like your pal letsmod?



Taken from here : http://forums.xbox-s...o...p=4757822

I think i'll steer well clear of this one, thanks all the same!!

[Xmodss]

time to pull out the oars and start back paddling full speed,

lets see

" no cut" false info
" stand alone" false info

and supported software? who knows

yes letsmod is ed from vgc and crazy is maximus

so when do the lies end and the truth get prevailed ?

[carranzafp]

QUOTE(Xmodss @ Dec 3 2010, 06:26 PM)

time to pull out the oars and start back paddling full speed,

lets see

" no cut" false info
" stand alone" false info

and supported software? who knows

yes letsmod is ed from vgc and crazy is maximus

so when do the lies end and the truth get prevailed ?

There is option to run the Device from PC usb port powered AND also to run with a battery.  Dont desperate full specs and pictures comming soon.
and no, me carranzafp is maximus only dont know who is "crazy" and why his opinion is so relevant.

Best Regards

[ATHiEST]

@ letsmod

dude you really need to learn your product before you "test" or distribute it.

The lizard is 100% NOT a "no cut" solution, Its simply a semi-standalone flashing solution and to be honest I cant fathom what customer you are aiming for here especially with a $80 price tag.

There is no way I would trust this device with a hitachi drive, and without some sort of power adapter for the 360 drive itself I just cant see any point to it, may aswell just stick to a CK.

[letsmod]

NEWS UPDATE !!  
The last touches on the Maximus Lizard took a lot of hard work and many days to ensure that our exciting add on features will be compatible with what you order today.

Available in just a few days will be the list of features the Lizard will sport at launch.

Meanwhile, we can confirm the following facts:

- Launch date: January 14!! That gives us time to implement some awesome hardware changes and, believe us, it will be worth the wait!

- Lizard Suggested Price: $99.90 if you preorder, giving you savings on the regular $110 price.

- Lizard will be bundled with cables and goodies -- details coming soon.

[Xmodss]

well what' im finding funny and fishy about this whole thing is that their are 5 pages of question and he has not  the time to answer one of them but can find the time to bash other people who are selling their stuff

http://forums.xbox-s...&...t&p=4759534

yes i find it ironic how vgc and bash others about their releases yet you don't see team xecuter coming here and high jacking this tread why? because that's not his style unlike vgc who has to scramble and try and be top dog, but i have already read numerous lies through this 5 page tread and have mad my decision to NEVER support vgc nor max EVER again.

below are questions that i asked him 1 on 1 especially the " no cut liteon" and again was totally ignored


Xmods        yo whats this ? http://www.pothsproj...hp?f=121&t=2831
VGC Repairs   its real
Xmods         no cuts ? what is it a box ?
VGC Repairs   details will be announced soon
VGC Repairs   FYI, foundmy doesnt now a damn thing about lizard
VGC Repairs   2 new videos releasing tomorrow, will shock people what lizard can do
Xmods         ok
VGC Repairs   we have completely left foundmy out of this project
VGC Repairs   and we only told him minimal things when he asked about it
Xmods         lol don't trust him i see
VGC Repairs   no
VGC Repairs   soo much info on lizard to be released before launch date
VGC Repairs   we will drop some jaws
Xmods         so when you relasing it then ?
VGC Repairs   http://www.360lizard.com/
Xmods         $110 pft no way
Xmods         i still wanna see the " no cut liteon"
VGC Repairs   let me tell you this thing is not cheap to make, there is allot of expensive parts
Xmods         im not syaing it's cheap  
Xmods         kinda late in the game imho i personally think their is no market work it
VGC Repairs   its not greaed toward home users
VGC Repairs   and modders will love how fast they will be able to dump a drive
Xmods         i don't know many modders that will pay that kind of change to mod they will stick with what they know and can make the most money with  
VGC Repairs   its a risk we will take
VGC Repairs   just like Team X with there CK panel
VGC Repairs   the main benfit will be for people with laptops


and from what i am being told 1st hand by people who are oh wait let me rephrase that were distributors have said the big Fuck You ed, because of his big mouth and back stabbing.

  im not much of a forum person but im an irc junky and know all the people who i need to know and people who know me know how i am if i smell bullshit i call bullshit.

so i would take extreme caution and think with you head if you decide to purchase from vgc on what their true moral and or values are

[Carlitosbaby]

I can answer one question for you NO Jungleflasher will not support this but according to them doesnt even need a pc lol

[carranzafp]

QUOTE(Xmodss @ Dec 4 2010, 05:28 AM)

well what' im finding funny and fishy about this whole thing is that their are 5 pages of question and he has not  the time to answer one of them but can find the time to bash other people who are selling their stuff

http://forums.xbox-s...&...t&p=4759534

yes i find it ironic how vgc and bash others about their releases yet you don't see team xecuter coming here and high jacking this tread why? because that's not his style unlike vgc who has to scramble and try and be top dog, but i have already read numerous lies through this 5 page tread and have mad my decision to NEVER support vgc nor max EVER again.

below are questions that i asked him 1 on 1 especially the " no cut liteon" and again was totally ignored
Xmods        yo whats this ? http://www.pothsproj...hp?f=121&t=2831
VGC Repairs   its real
Xmods         no cuts ? what is it a box ?
VGC Repairs   details will be announced soon
VGC Repairs   FYI, foundmy doesnt now a damn thing about lizard
VGC Repairs   2 new videos releasing tomorrow, will shock people what lizard can do
Xmods         ok
VGC Repairs   we have completely left foundmy out of this project
VGC Repairs   and we only told him minimal things when he asked about it
Xmods         lol don't trust him i see
VGC Repairs   no
VGC Repairs   soo much info on lizard to be released before launch date
VGC Repairs   we will drop some jaws
Xmods         so when you relasing it then ?
VGC Repairs   http://www.360lizard.com/
Xmods         $110 pft no way
Xmods         i still wanna see the " no cut liteon"
VGC Repairs   let me tell you this thing is not cheap to make, there is allot of expensive parts
Xmods         im not syaing it's cheap  
Xmods         kinda late in the game imho i personally think their is no market work it
VGC Repairs   its not greaed toward home users
VGC Repairs   and modders will love how fast they will be able to dump a drive
Xmods         i don't know many modders that will pay that kind of change to mod they will stick with what they know and can make the most money with  
VGC Repairs   its a risk we will take
VGC Repairs   just like Team X with there CK panel
VGC Repairs   the main benfit will be for people with laptops
and from what i am being told 1st hand by people who are oh wait let me rephrase that were distributors have said the big Fuck You ed, because of his big mouth and back stabbing.

  im not much of a forum person but im an irc junky and know all the people who i need to know and people who know me know how i am if i smell bullshit i call bullshit.

so i would take extreme caution and think with you head if you decide to purchase from vgc on what their true moral and or values are

Hey m8, calm down, lets state something, the only official information is being posted on www.360lizard.com Its obvious you already hate the product without knowing it in detail.  If you know ANY of my contributions in the past and my previous projects you will see that I NEVER LIE and lots of my job has been for free, even I have fighted against the quick-cash scenarios (you dont see my name on things like freekey, tarablinda and others for nothing). IF that does not give you a sligth clue of trust on my work then you are not being objective.

You are complaining about the no-cut misunderstanding, I will CLARIFY IT even when i dont stated NOR is stated on the page of lizard.  The lizard is a flasher, its a portable device that CAN ALSO work connected to the PC, it does not save you from doing cuts, BUT THE RESEARCH is not over and believe me that I do research. if we ever found a command  that we can use to do that we would issue a firmware update.  So yes you need do cuts on liteons but you can also apply the UART patch to save you from cuts on later time (ahh I forgot was called "unsafe" patch even when the spoof was more dangerous but oh well thats another topic).  

There is also lots of doubts about the battery diying while flashing, I dont feel there is more or less risk than a power failure on the main AC but if you feel safer you can power it from other sources, you can power it from the PC USB or you can power from the Xtractor 1 or Xtractor 2 pin ports (fortunatelly we have such ports since the very first xtractor and I remember people saying those port was a stupid addition, oh well, time to time).  The reason we don put a power supply inside the device is to make less bulky and to give more freedom of movement.  Not to count most of the modders already have a power device

The price mhhh what to say on that, its matter of budgets and likes, if you want a cheaper product maybe you can get one, the problem is some people just want to pay for the materials cost + assembly, and forgot totally the design costs.  Nothing to add here, just that I hope to find enough people with enough budget and willing to invest on this tool.

Also the lizard has onboard flash memory (non volatile), the firmware images can be stored there (the hitachi drive on the video is being stored on the onboard flash) and if power dies you have your info safe there, its not like you would do the write without do the read first obviously.

Have peace and stop attack, if this product is not for you or you feel its out of time well sorry, its the time we take to produce a good product, and I respect your opinon but dont bash me or try to make my reputation a joke, if you do that then you obviously dont have a clue on what I have being done on the last years.

If have any other civilized question, something that you dont state as "absolute truth" then I can reply, otherwise I must tell you that your point is clear now and you can rest now of lizard.

[Xmodss]

im not attaching anything you have, ive personally used a few of you devices in the past but you have  a "DISTRIBUTOR/tester" vgc that is spewing stuff out his mouth that is nothing but lies and who is completely clueless about the product, has the public relation skills of a 2yr old and only cares about pushing a product yes pushing a product is good but if you are not going to answer simple questions that would do nothing more then help the product sell it self. you should of had foundmy involved still, don't remember this happening with 360xtractor pro or usbxtractor."

if we are to only read the truth from the official website, then why is someone from the official team not properly informing us or correcting his posts or answer questions to what he posted. its like he has gone into hiding, with his tail between his leg, hell we are human and human is to error  i make mistake every do and we all do it's learning from our mistake that makes us what and who we are.

people have been asking nothing but simple questions, in which you have now answer them in great detail and that will help you push the sales even more then hiding the simple things,  but before every reply is how great the product is which im sure it is and i hope you make $1,000,000 on it, but public relations  pushes sales more then fame.



as for you i know who you are and what you stand for i have not said anything bad per say about you or your work, just a word to the wise if you have someone that is a developer, distributor, tester make sure their smart enough to understand the full process of the device and it's capabilities and not make statement that do nothing but lead to a downward spiral .

well pretty much said all i have to say about this one . peace out max and good luck with your sales

[deilzfcjk]

It is real. I known Ed for a while now.  Maximus products never disappoint me. So stop all the high school drama.

What is the final build price after RD and shipping? I would not know what cost of production for something like this is though. But looking at the case...it's almost like a modified case for the 360 nandflashers. So, that alone would suggest they are using the same manufacturuer so thats gotta take a little out of the final cost to build it.

 Wholesale is probably like $50 So figure that 1.5-2.0 times profit that Resellers on top make.

so retail for $100 is about right. But I personally might have to wait a few months then I'll consider it if the price comes down a bit. It is not like i am in dire need of something like this. But it looks cool. It's a gadget.

[OggyUK]

But 'mights' keep people asking questions, meaning bumped threads, more talk/hype etc.

As they say...  

Theres no such thing as bad publicity....

That 'might' be why everything was so speculative ....

[ATHiEST]

lmao..

Retail = $110
Pre-Order = $99
(You must be on crack if you think you are going to get many orders at those stupid prices)

Hey maximus your products are good but please get rid of this n00b "letsmod" , "VGC" or "Ed" whatever hes called, He doesnt have a clue about your products and is doing your public image no good at all, He should at least apologize to everybody for misleading people and hijacking other companies threads and spouting BS.

[carranzafp]

QUOTE(LittleBH @ Dec 4 2010, 11:34 AM)

finally some truth about this product!
Why have the "Tester/distributors" been allowed to spout so many lies and misdirections is what i'd like to know -

here is what i have been able to sift from the crap - please feel free to correct me if im wrong

so its a little gizmo that allows you to dump/flash some drives using its own onboard memory!
it has a kinda cool looking screen!
it still needs pc connection for certain drives
it has no drive power source
it still requires a connect kit
it DOES NOT do NO cut/soldering for liteons (8v2, 9 series "Phats")
power sources for the kit itself has many options
its NOT cheap!

at least its cleared up a lot of the mistruths!

now its a matter of wait and see what its actually like to use!
and carranzafp i thank you for finally clearing some shit up! - straight answers get more interest for a product than hints of functions that it "might do, some day"

We are doing choices on what to include on launch package, what is not included is because is not optimized and will be released later with a firmware update, some features it also depends on external accesories unfortunatelly not all can be launched at same time so we have to start with something.

The PC connection will be the first functionality because is the most easy to do and also less prone to the user doubts on the data, and we will be moving to the standalone side (keeping both modes) one function at a time, we dont have rush and be sure its one of the points that we will not want to fail.

If you want to see it like a cheap chinese usb-sata using uart debug port and with fancy screen then you should see the code that is inside, it performs all the critical tasks in hardware, it does AES key verification, it contains all the dvd drives routines to read erase write among much more other functions. Its not a dumb LCD with an application doing the task on the background.  The application shown in the video is TERATERM, its a simple windows terminal program to show the debug messages of Lizard Os.  

We are working on the initial PC companion application but again we are not reinventing the wheel there and the first version of the application will have the basic functionality and we will be moving from there to a more robust stuff with backup and fw patching.  If you want to see glass middle full or middle empty is your particular point of view, we are working on filling it.

The power from the drive need to be taken from another thing (nor the battery nor the usb can supply the required voltages to power the drive, xtractor can do it so use xtractor instead), we could do it all on the same board and we have prototypes that does, but in the end the cost would be affected (and you already thinks its expensive) so we went with lizard as was presented because its the most versatile way, most of the modders (wich is the main market we are aiming) already has power drive options that they trust so they can use that.  

The liteon no-cuts yes it gots clarified but again if we ever manage to offer a good reliable method be sure Lizard will be there to use it.

QUOTE(ATHiEST @ Dec 4 2010, 06:49 PM)

lmao..

Retail = $110
Pre-Order = $99
(You must be on crack if you think you are going to get many orders at those stupid prices)

Hey maximus your products are good but please get rid of this n00b "letsmod" , "VGC" or "Ed" whatever hes called, He doesnt have a clue about your products and is doing your public image no good at all, He should at least apologize to everybody for misleading people and hijacking other companies threads and spouting BS.

Thanks for your price feedback, its clearly stated your opinon.  And no I dont use drugs just common sense, hard work and lots of personal time (family time too) to make my stuff.

For the other thing, I am not vgcrepairs I am maximus, if you dont trust on vgcrepairs, then you can trust on me.

This post has been edited by carranzafp: Dec 4 2010, 07:48 PM

[OggyUK]

QUOTE(carranzafp @ Dec 4 2010, 06:25 PM)

..... already has power drive options that they trust (even to make competitor's videos) so they can use that.  

I'm not sure if is lost in translation, but, my video wasnt to promote Xecuter, more prove the hw existed and "wasnt just an idea dreamt up to stem your sales"

Also, TBH, I rarely use the Xtractor Pro 2, its too bulky for my needs, however, I do use the Pwr Adapter of yours mainly, due to its compact nature.

Give me hardware, I'll post openly and honestly about it.

I created a warning of potential faulty ck3's, I posted and stood corrected on the vamp/winbond saga....

I am not "competetion" I'm just a guy lucky enogh to be able to test a few things here and there and people trust my word.

Anyway, good luck with the Lizard, Maximus.

[LittleBH]

QUOTE(carranzafp @ Dec 4 2010, 06:25 PM)

We are doing choices on what to include on launch package, what is not included is because is not optimized and will be released later with a firmware update, some features it also depends on external accesories unfortunatelly not all can be launched at same time so we have to start with something.

The PC connection will be the first functionality because is the most easy to do and also less prone to the user doubts on the data, and we will be moving to the standalone side (keeping both modes) one function at a time, we dont have rush and be sure its one of the points that we will not want to fail.

If you want to see it like a cheap chinese usb-sata using uart debug port and with fancy screen then you should see the code that is inside, it performs all the critical tasks in hardware, it does AES key verification, it contains all the dvd drives routines to read erase write among much more other functions. Its not a dumb LCD with an application doing the task on the background.  The application shown in the video is TERATERM, its a simple windows terminal program to show the debug messages of Lizard Os.  

We are working on the initial PC companion application but again we are not reinventing the wheel there and the first version of the application will have the basic functionality and we will be moving from there to a more robust stuff with backup and fw patching.  If you want to see glass middle full or middle empty is your particular point of view, we are working on filling it.

The power from the drive need to be taken from another thing (nor the battery nor the usb can supply the required voltages to power the drive, xtractor can do it so use xtractor instead), we could do it all on the same board and we have prototypes that does, but in the end the cost would be affected (and you already thinks its expensive) so we went with lizard as was presented because its the most versatile way, most of the modders (wich is the main market we are aiming) already has power drive options that they trust so they can use that.  

The liteon no-cuts yes it gots clarified but again if we ever manage to offer a good reliable method be sure Lizard will be there to use it.
Thanks for your price feedback, its clearly stated your opinon.  And no I dont use drugs just common sense, hard work and lots of personal time (family time too) to make my stuff.

For the other thing, I am not vgcrepairs I am maximus, if you dont trust on vgcrepairs, then you can trust on me.

Maximus! I thank you for your more accurate and detailed info regarding your product. I, like Oggyuk, have used/tested many of your products (including the whole vamp winbond thing!  - forgive me for causing a possible comotion however i could not get my vamp to work on that damn drive! - however in my defence i DID state i only had the 1 winbond drive to test on! and other products did the job on the same drive)

to be honest i'm sure more people will think along the same lines as i do - the more accurate info we have regarding things a product can and cannot do then the more credibility it has - I hate when things are "suggested" and the product fails to deliver. Or when distributors lay hints on what it might do! but fail to answer direct questions about it.

However unlike Oggys previous post "maybe" doesn't wash with me - it irritates me and drives me further away from the product and its creators future products.

So i will reserve further judgement until I see a release version product in my hands. Time will tell!

This post has been edited by LittleBH: Dec 4 2010, 10:30 PM