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[greengiant]

QUOTE(carranzafp @ Mar 19 2010, 06:47 AM)

About this comment, I can preview what will happen with this.

a) They will announce "a programmer" for the half of our price (to try stop our sales while they produce something)
When they launch they will say: "ahh well the half priced one is PIC based, we have another ultra-pro for similar price as maximus"  

Nobody remember the nonsolder "marketing" with spear II?

By other side, the price thing is relative.  When u go to a Home Depot and will buy a hammer you probably dont matter wich brand is it, but when go to buy a drill for sure you will look what brand is it, the speed, etc. If you are a contractor you know the best tool will allow you to work faster and get more income.  If you just buy for home improvement will also be important for the duration.

Also it seems nobody thinks on the reseller point of view, if there is no bussiness on reselling the units, nobody will stock your products.

Also so far all homemade kits out there sold online based on the PIC cost around 35-40 usd, that is 10 usd difference.  If the read speed,  safety of your nand dump and the quickest install method so far, does not matter 10 usd then probably Im wasting my time trying to convince you.

marketing of spear 2 - say what marketing ? The probe 2 has more features than your spear 2 and no soldering - where is your probe v1 function ?
You need to stop all this anti-xecuter rubbish, is xecuter bashing you ? not that i see.
Compete on the merits of your product.

A) Maybe its because they will charge what is adequate, versus the 50+ you are charging for something that was actually made by Tiros.
The PIC version is actually just as good as the LPC version, but youd know that if you had actually looked at Tiro's code... oh wait you didnt!
C) The only reason your using the LPC design is because you cant compete with the PIC version, as EVERYONE would laugh at the price.

- 10usd difference - thats the cost of express shipping in alot of places.
- read speed - i would say $15-25 difference is worth an extra 5 minutes
- safety - comparing pic vs lpc units, there have been no signs of errors reported. (LPT version is not safe)
- quickest install - the pic version is the exact same install method. 7 wires takes 5 minutes max to solder.

So unless you made changes to Tiro's FW. I dont really see the need to spend the extra money, around 2x really.

[letsmod]

QUOTE(greengiant @ Mar 19 2010, 02:09 PM)

marketing of spear 2 - say what marketing ? The probe 2 has more features than your spear 2 and no soldering - where is your probe v1 function ?
You need to stop all this anti-xecuter rubbish, is xecuter bashing you ? not that i see.
Compete on the merits of your product.

A) Maybe its because they will charge what is adequate, versus the 50+ you are charging for something that was actually made by Tiros.
The PIC version is actually just as good as the LPC version, but youd know that if you had actually looked at Tiro's code... oh wait you didnt!
C) The only reason your using the LPC design is because you cant compete with the PIC version, as EVERYONE would laugh at the price.

- 10usd difference - thats the cost of express shipping in alot of places.
- read speed - i would say $15-25 difference is worth an extra 5 minutes
- safety - comparing pic vs lpc units, there have been no signs of errors reported. (LPT version is not safe)
- quickest install - the pic version is the exact same install method. 7 wires takes 5 minutes max to solder.

So unless you made changes to Tiro's FW. I dont really see the need to spend the extra money, around 2x really.

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Ours is made in USA not china

Ours is high quality, and in a well protected case, so AGAIN Team xecuter copied maximus,

and another what the hell do you think team x is doing same? freakin tiros code, duhhhhh

oh my goddd, team X released there prototype picture again, WOW WOW WOW, I am just got sooo excited.

where is there final pictures??  Where is there quick solder board pictures??  NO WHERE, hahaha

End of march release date, LOL, where is my CK3 Probe v2 solderless???  NO WHERE, and and no ones has them either.

who cares about there pricing, 2 differnt products that is all there is too it

[micr0shaft]

QUOTE(letsmod @ Mar 19 2010, 11:54 PM)

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Ours is made in USA not china

Ours is high quality, and in a well protected case, so AGAIN Team xecuter copied maximus,

and another what the hell do you think team x is doing same? freakin tiros code, duhhhhh

oh my goddd, team X released there prototype picture again, WOW WOW WOW, I am just got sooo excited.

where is there final pictures??  Where is there quick solder board pictures??  NO WHERE, hahaha

End of march release date, LOL, where is my CK3 Probe v2 solderless???  NO WHERE, and and no ones has them either.

who cares about there pricing, 2 differnt products that is all there is too it

Man you sound like a 13yo kid in a strop.

"and in a well protected case, so AGAIN Team xecuter copied maximus" Really?? they put a case on their product so they copied you.... WTF? Are you really the first to put an end product into a protective case..? hope you have the patent for that little cherry..

[juggahax0r]

QUOTE(Hoescout @ Mar 18 2010, 01:17 PM)

And for JTAG u only read the first 2MB of the NAND, no need this sh1t here.

 You read the first to 2mb to check the CB version , that is all. You must have skipped ahead in the tutorial or something dude cause it don't say that shit anywhere.

If everyone goes over and reads the xecuter forum it is the same thing , everyone is bitching about the same shit. it does not sound like many people are all that interested in either one to be quite honest. Too each his own i suppose. I am interested personally in getting some sort of solution that is quicker than LPT as i do many 360s and currently have to tell everyone it will be 24 hours where i usually like them to be able to watch if they want. But i don't like having strangers chillin with me for that long.

 Hey MartinChris , you want to check out my post it should still be at the top of the general hardware chat list. You always give me good advice , or thwack , hell anyone who knows. I don't want to ask in here it's not the right place.

 Ok i have to edit to mention that everyone on the NAND-x forum is actually bitchin bout the name more than the product , kind of funny everyone here is bitching about price and whatever else they feel like bitchin about , but no one is complaining about the name. Oh yea all the complainers probably thought their idea for a name was the best NAND - X is pretty damn obvious not worth 1000.

[Exobex]

QUOTE(micr0shaft @ Mar 20 2010, 11:27 AM)

Man you sound like a 13yo kid in a strop.

"and in a well protected case, so AGAIN Team xecuter copied maximus" Really?? they put a case on their product so they copied you.... WTF? Are you really the first to put an end product into a protective case..? hope you have the patent for that little cherry..

I spy with my little eye, something beginning with "Xecuter Fanbo"  

[ccfman2004]

QUOTE(Exobex @ Mar 20 2010, 01:40 PM)

A nice idea but unfortunately it doesn't mesh well with Microsoft's "Security Through Unreliability" business model.  ALL of these machines will fail sooner or later (how many launch machines are left with their original boards?) and when any 360 goes back for its inevitable motherboard replacement it'll come back unmoddable.

I still got my old Xenon xbox 360 made in May 2006 and it still works fine.  Not JTAGable since I've had it on Live but at least it still works.  It also can sound like a Jet Engine at times too.

[Exobex]

QUOTE(micr0shaft @ Mar 20 2010, 01:48 PM)

Team X are a well known name and no doubt have earned respect over the years,  But the people I respect most are the people that sacrifice their own time and money and no doubt other things to freely bring the public homebrew software, hardware designs and tut's allowing people to extend the life and functionality of their Xbox 360's, Modems, Mobile Phones, Ipod touch's and many other things, Most of the time saving people a lot of money and ask for nothing in return.

These individuals can be found on many a Forum/Project website.

/Rant

Nicely ranted, point taken :-)

QUOTE(micr0shaft @ Mar 20 2010, 01:48 PM)

not who is selling the product (unless they are financing terrorists, murdering baby's or planning the next World War I'm not really bothered who sells it).

Come on now, you know as well as I do that console modding and buying pirate games off the fella down the street is supporting drug dealing, gun running, people trafficking and all sorts of other dodgy stuff.  The adverts on the TV told me so, so it must be true!

[deilzfcjk]

QUOTE(micr0shaft @ Mar 20 2010, 06:48 AM)

..... I compare the functionality/price of both then longevity and support not who is selling the product (unless they are financing terrorists, murdering baby's or planning the next World War I'm not really bothered who sells it).

You saying the above and then the below make it  sound contradictory. First you say it's not about the team/manufacturer that factors in to your purchases.

QUOTE(micr0shaft @ Mar 20 2010, 06:48 AM)

Team X are a well known name and no doubt have earned respect over the years,  

Stop being a fan boi

[kiwimods]

Nice work guys.

[Exobex]

QUOTE(micr0shaft @ Mar 21 2010, 09:05 AM)

How is that contradictory?

"when it comes down to ME choosing whether to buy a product where there is more than one choice available I compare the functionality/price of both...."

Now let me break it down for you..

Above /\ : This is a Personal statement, note the use of such words as ME and I, This is because I am talking about what I personally do.

Below \/: This is a General statement, note the distinct lack of words that refer to myself..

"Team X are a well known name"

"and no doubt have earned respect over the years"
Just to reiterate:

"and no doubt have earned respect over the years" = Generalization

and have earned MY respect over the years = Personal Statement
Did you spot the difference this time?

OK, now my opinion's turned round 100% from your original post.  It's nice to see someone on here trying his best to sit on a high fence instead of a high horse like some I could mention!  Make this guy a mod!

[rami1]

NICE!!

[GARRYB]

QUOTE(micr0shaft @ Mar 29 2010, 07:09 AM)

I have managed to make my own solder-less solution for reading/writing to the xbox nand.

It was constructed with things I had lying around in my desk (as it was Sunday and I couldn't wait till Monday without giving it a try) with the exception of 2 custom Pogo's I ordered online.

I first thought of attempting this when I noticed the 4 holes in each corner near the SB chip (I guess originally put there for a heat sink) I used perf board, solid core cable and plastic locking leg parts from a unused stock CPU fan, These work so good once in place on the 360 board I can pickup the mobo & chassis by lifting up the solder-less adapter.

I have used this on 2 boxes thus far and it has worked first time every time, It takes about 5-10 seconds to fit and using it with my newly purchased USBJtag NT and software I can dump a 16MB nand in 47 seconds hit another button to dump again and compare then hit the save button, Erasing and writing is equally as fast and easy, You can also read/write individual sections of the nand using the command window.

I will probably pick up a pin header and enclosure the next time I am in town to tidy it up a bit.  










USBJTAG NT SOFWARE PIC1
USBJTAG NT SOFWARE PIC2

so are you selling any of these already ,if so than count me in i want to buy one, and please tell me its not as expensive as maximus nand flasher.

[letsmod]

we have one in devlopemnt already

[[Imported]Intruder]

QUOTE(letsmod @ Mar 30 2010, 05:27 AM)

we have one in devlopemnt already

I dont think anyone is listening to you anymore.  You stated this was going to be great and the likes we have never seen before with a "new" easy setup.  RUBBISH just the same as most other people's with a "quicksolder" pad, whats new about those?  Been around years and can be a pain.  As said before this product is over priced and nothing as promised.  Mega FAIL nand-x will clean up with their sensible price point unlike this one......

[letsmod]

I don't care who listens or reads, it's about customer support. And a RELIABLE product. And that I will bid a final farewell to your remarks

thanks for keeping this thread at the top.