Topic: Maximus NANDFlasher (Read 1443 times)

ZprivateZ · « **Reply #45 on:** March 19, 2010, 12:01:00 AM »

QUOTE(xboxhaxorz @ Mar 18 2010, 05:01 PM)

where can i do this for less than half the price? i am aware of the printer cable. but the usb version is faster.

Look around, hell the bst here has usb spi for half that, little less than after you pay shipping and for what a usb nand flasher in a case with a light pfft not worth it they all gonna do the same thing and the one I have has a nice detachable cable too so unless they invent a miracle that is solderless without using that conductive glue then why pay the extra cost this will be geared towards people who don't know where to look and find one cheaper or people who just want to spend the money because like I said they all do the same in the end which is dump and flash the nand

Martinchris23 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 19, 2010, 02:49:00 AM »

QUOTE(Hoescout @ Mar 19 2010, 01:01 AM)

Ofc one has to dump 2 or 3 times the first 2 mb of the nand and compare them afterwards, still its like 6 MB in total, about 20-25 minutes. If all 3 dumps match exactly, theres nothing to worry about since u can insert the KV info in existing XBR predumps and youre good to go.

I never had any trouble with that method.

Then you're lucky enough not to have any NANDs with bad blocks with vital data in them.

You WILL get E71 if you have this situation and without a full dump you'll not know where the original bad block was or what block it was remapped to. I suggest for your sake you quickly change your process before you get yourself in a hole. Dumping 2MB 3 times isn't 6MB of data - it's the same 2MB of data three times over. You could dump it 100 times and it still wouldn't help you with a bad block from 2MB upwards.

Martinchris23 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 19, 2010, 04:25:00 AM »

QUOTE(candre23 @ Mar 19 2010, 09:52 AM)

There are a lot of comments to the effect of "$45 is too expensive! You can get a programmer for half that!". Can someone provide a link to a web store where I can buy one of these cheaper programmers? Most of the links posted so far are for schematics / parts lists. The only fully assembled board that was linked was a craigslist ad from some guy in texas. The other pre-assembled programmer that is in the works from team xecuter hasn't been given a price or release date yet.

If nobody else is actually selling a fully assembled and working programmer board, then by default, the $45 Maximus is the cheapest board around. If somebody else is selling them cheaper, then please provide a link so I can get one.

You'd be better off getting one of these:

http://www.sparkfun....products_id=676

It's a universal header which can be used in this and any future projects since it's programmable. Sure, it doesn't have the flashy blue cover but it works extremely well.

thwack · « **Reply #48 on:** March 19, 2010, 06:16:00 AM »

QUOTE(Vampirtc2 @ Mar 19 2010, 12:05 PM)

Is it possible to use this NANDflasher to uncripple Xbox 360 as well?

Thats pretty much the idea behind this I'd guess - we're gonna run out of exploitable 360's soon, so uncrippling will make this money.

Xmodss · « **Reply #49 on:** March 19, 2010, 06:45:00 AM »

i will say it's faster then the Header board for LPC2148 posted

for me speed means a lot that means more boxs in a shorter time

nand compare also showed 0 error on ever set of 3 dumps that was preformed

Martinchris23 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 19, 2010, 07:14:00 AM »

QUOTE(Xmodss @ Mar 19 2010, 12:45 PM)

i will say it's faster then the Header board for LPC2148 posted
for me speed means a lot that means more boxs in a shorter time

nand compare also showed 0 error on ever set of 3 dumps that was preformed

So does my headerboard! 3 mins for a 16MB NAND and 10 mins for a 64MB dump of 256/512 is hardly time consuming. If you've got more boxes to do, you can start stripping down the next one....

ZprivateZ · « **Reply #51 on:** March 19, 2010, 07:24:00 AM »

Well if it's speed your after then dumping the nand threw xellous is about the quickest way 16mb in 1 minute or 512mb in 5 minutes, and then even flashing from usb only takes what about 3 to 5 minutes or so also. I mean if you want to have an alternate method for a just in case great, but little on the high price side for just an alternate. Now like was stated earlier uncrippling the nand on machines where xellous can not be run I can see that but there are still cheaper usb boards to be had to serve the same purpose.

carranzafp · « **Reply #52 on:** March 19, 2010, 07:47:00 AM »

QUOTE(candre23 @ Mar 19 2010, 10:52 AM)

The other pre-assembled programmer that is in the works from team xecuter hasn't been given a price or release date yet.

About this comment, I can preview what will happen with this.

a) They will announce "a programmer" for the half of our price (to try stop our sales while they produce something)
B) When they launch they will say: "ahh well the half priced one is PIC based, we have another ultra-pro for similar price as maximus"

Nobody remember the nonsolder "marketing" with spear II?

By other side, the price thing is relative. When u go to a Home Depot and will buy a hammer you probably dont matter wich brand is it, but when go to buy a drill for sure you will look what brand is it, the speed, etc. If you are a contractor you know the best tool will allow you to work faster and get more income. If you just buy for home improvement will also be important for the duration.

Also it seems nobody thinks on the reseller point of view, if there is no bussiness on reselling the units, nobody will stock your products.

Also so far all homemade kits out there sold online based on the PIC cost around 35-40 usd, that is 10 usd difference. If the read speed, safety of your nand dump and the quickest install method so far, does not matter 10 usd then probably Im wasting my time trying to convince you.

Martinchris23 · « **Reply #53 on:** March 19, 2010, 09:00:00 AM »

QUOTE(Grandmaster56 @ Mar 19 2010, 01:41 PM)

I made my NAND dump/flasher out of an LPT port i picked up from maplin electronics (£1) and soldered it all up in about 30 mins.Unless this product is solderless then what is the point.

The point is unbuffered LPT communications (i.e raw data from a bus) is extremely unstable and prone to error. Don't get me wrong, if it's just your console and it's a 16MB unit then sure, don't waste money on something you'll probably not use again. You DO have a risk of bad data tho, so you need to make sure you dump at least 3 times.

Just an FYI - you don't need any special software to compare NAND dumps, even if it's a 1kb dump. 'fc' at command line will compare the contents of two or more files. If you prefer a GUI version then download windiff

Grandmaster56 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 19, 2010, 09:45:00 AM »

How would you use xell to dump the nand from a retail exploitable nand? dont you have to get xbr/freeboot on the 360 first to boot it?

Xmodss · « **Reply #55 on:** March 19, 2010, 10:20:00 AM »

QUOTE(cavedude @ Mar 19 2010, 11:17 AM)

You use Xellous to do the full dump. Do it twice and compare if you're anal about it. Takes 10 seconds. Then inject XBR/Xellous/KV/config into the image and use Xellous to flash that. He's right, you only need to grab the first 2MB with LPT/USB.

why would anyone dump only the first 2mb that's simply foolish imho i believe in full backs of every nand a dump.

but anyways this has went from a simple hey we have a new nand flasher on the market to nothing more then a feeding frenzy for everyone to bash everyone. hence why i never go to xs because of all the trolls the keep the fire going.

i was asked to post and honest review after i had tested the prototype with limited pics and briefly mention the install because it was not released to be public information yet and that's what i did if people don't like it then fuckem i don't really care

want and honest review good bad or other i'll be the first to tell you if it's a piece of shit or something rather spectacular

Martinchris23 · « **Reply #56 on:** March 19, 2010, 10:26:00 AM »

QUOTE(cavedude @ Mar 19 2010, 03:17 PM)

You use Xellous to do the full dump. Do it twice and compare if you're anal about it. Takes 10 seconds. Then inject XBR/Xellous/KV/config into the image and use Xellous to flash that. He's right, you only need to grab the first 2MB with LPT/USB.

Then you didn't read his post or replies properly. At no point is he taking a full dump. People really need to read before posting

LPT I can understand, but if you're using USB, there's absolutely no mileage whatsoever in only dumping 2MB. It takes 3 mins to dump 16 MB or 10 mins to dump 64MB. How quickly can you do all of the above to get a full dump, as well as how much hassle it is to hook it up to a TV etc.

ZprivateZ · « **Reply #57 on:** March 19, 2010, 10:27:00 AM »

QUOTE(Grandmaster56 @ Mar 19 2010, 11:45 AM)

How would you use xell to dump the nand from a retail exploitable nand? dont you have to get xbr/freeboot on the 360 first to boot it?

No you don't you can flash xell update it with xellous without xbr, then you dump your nand a few times, compare then proceed to flash xbr.

HotKnife420 · « **Reply #58 on:** March 19, 2010, 01:31:00 PM »

QUOTE(ZprivateZ @ Mar 19 2010, 05:27 PM)

No you don't you can flash xell update it with xellous without xbr, then you dump your nand a few times, compare then proceed to flash xbr.

Why would you want to do that?

Remember that this is a new usb flasher, and is targeted at installers most. If you're going to do all the stuff above to get xell, then xellous, then dump the remainder of the nand, then combine that with the original first 2mb, then you don't need a USB flasher to do that. If you're going to go usb, then you can dump the whole thing at once.

The issue is not that people are saying there's no need for a USB flasher by Maximus - the issue is that it's going to be $45 plus shipping, which is insane for what it does. You can buy a USB flasher (NOT one that someone made in their basement) from professional sources already, and they're already proven to have more uses than JUST xbox 360 nands (my usbjtag nt, for example, does cable modems, satellite receivers, etc). If you want the Olimex/2148, you can program it with the xtractor spear, or a number of other serial programmers.

There's been no indication that this device from Max will be solderless, or that it will do other devices than an xbox360. Anyone who is an installer would be better off with a device that they can work with other products, too. Anyone who is only doing their own system would be better off building their own lpt solution for $5 (use xellous trick if time is that bad, I suppose), or paying someone to do their console for them.

But who cares?

ZprivateZ · « **Reply #59 on:** March 19, 2010, 02:36:00 PM »

QUOTE(HotKnife420 @ Mar 19 2010, 03:31 PM)

Why would you want to do that?

Remember that this is a new usb flasher, and is targeted at installers most. If you're going to do all the stuff above to get xell, then xellous, then dump the remainder of the nand, then combine that with the original first 2mb, then you don't need a USB flasher to do that. If you're going to go usb, then you can dump the whole thing at once.

The issue is not that people are saying there's no need for a USB flasher by Maximus - the issue is that it's going to be $45 plus shipping, which is insane for what it does. You can buy a USB flasher (NOT one that someone made in their basement) from professional sources already, and they're already proven to have more uses than JUST xbox 360 nands (my usbjtag nt, for example, does cable modems, satellite receivers, etc). If you want the Olimex/2148, you can program it with the xtractor spear, or a number of other serial programmers.

There's been no indication that this device from Max will be solderless, or that it will do other devices than an xbox360. Anyone who is an installer would be better off with a device that they can work with other products, too. Anyone who is only doing their own system would be better off building their own lpt solution for $5 (use xellous trick if time is that bad, I suppose), or paying someone to do their console for them.

But who cares?

um because most newer pc's don't have lpt ports only the dinosaur pc's do

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