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[Martinchris23]

QUOTE(letsmod @ Mar 18 2010, 03:43 PM)

really, you have to highjack the thread to advertise other peoples stuff.  WOW.

people will purchase what they want, no one is forcing them to buy one product or another, we welcome team X into the market.  There always has to be a competitor.

Isn't this a contradiction?

This is a forum, pal - not paid-for advertising space. Giving people the option to choose is what this place has always been about.

[greengiant]

How about telling people that this actually uses the same FW and chip as Tiro's released. Ie. the nandpro hardware aka lpc2148 based.
Is Tiros getting any royalties ? http://www.xboxhacke...p?topic=12222.0
Has there been any improvements on his FW ? how about the software ?

From this, http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded its quite clear.
For you people with a clock, count the actual time it would take to flash and then check his stated times at the end of the video, do they match ?  only for the last 2, the first two (so called "45" seconds) dont add up.
(Count how long per block in the video, then multiple accordingly. 16mb = 0 to 3ff)

Just a penny for your thoughts.

[letsmod]

the test I did ()  was done on an old AMD Nforce 3 systems, 1gb mem and IDE HDD and took 1:47 to dump the 16mb nand. on a newer system with SATA HDD and Core2 processor it took just under a minutes using nandpro 2.0d in dos window and not gui.  which you will see in the next video released.


on the video you posted a link to was a dump on a DEV unit not a retail unit, the dev unit has a much larger nand

[ccfman2004]

I want to see ALL of the features before I make my decision.  I already have a USB Nand Dumper that I made myself.  If this makes my job easier, I'll buy it.  I can't, in my right mind, buy something until I have seen everything it can do first.

[Hoescout]

let me tell you this- everyone with a 16 MB NAND doesnt need this, the serial cable does the work great even if u wait like 40 mins for nand dump.

And thats like 90% of people. The other 10 have bigger nand but even there I would just run it through serial cable 2 times. WHY? Beacause its free and a person does it 1 time and never again.

And for JTAG u only read the first 2MB of the NAND, no need this sh1t here.

[No1B4Me420]

$45.00 dollars plus shipping, for a flasher that is a bit faster than a homebrew USB SPI Flasher?? For the quanity these guys are able to have produced at one shot, the price should be quite a bit lower.

Capitalism at its best.

[ccfman2004]

QUOTE(Hoescout @ Mar 18 2010, 06:17 PM)

let me tell you this- everyone with a 16 MB NAND doesnt need this, the serial cable does the work great even if u wait like 40 mins for nand dump.

And thats like 90% of people. The other 10 have bigger nand but even there I would just run it through serial cable 2 times. WHY? Beacause its free and a person does it 1 time and never again.

And for JTAG u only read the first 2MB of the NAND, no need this sh1t here.

You need to dump the whole nand to install XBReboot, not the first 2mb.

[xbox360ukmodman]

Stop complaining about the price, I paid £50 for my usb nand flasher and it was worth every penny as I'm jtagging consoles on a weekly basis. Even with a homebrew usb flasher it only takes me 4-5mins to solder to the board.

[carranzafp]

QUOTE(greengiant @ Mar 18 2010, 05:36 PM)

How about telling people that this actually uses the same FW and chip as Tiro's released. Ie. the nandpro hardware aka lpc2148 based.
Is Tiros getting any royalties ? http://www.xboxhacke...p?topic=12222.0
Has there been any improvements on his FW ? how about the software ?

Tiros knows about the design since long time and he is a nice guy, he dont requested (nor accepted) royalities of this. When he released to public was to public, nothing more to say on that topic.

About price, always is a worry for us to make it enough cheap but believe me, this time whort every usd you are paying.  
Also the pre-sales are not forced to anyone, everyone can just wait till launch day to place his order.  

Best Regards

QUOTE(No1B4Me420 @ Mar 18 2010, 06:41 PM)

Im actually happy about the pricing, it means that I can still compete even against the big guys. For now anyway.

Just curious as to what the actual cost per board is, has to be significantly lower than my cost per board.

Can you tell me wich board are u producing?  even when I will not reveal our manufacturing cost I can tell you wich one is cheaper to make.  Best Regards

[greengiant]

QUOTE(letsmod @ Mar 18 2010, 09:51 AM)

the test I did ()  was done on an old AMD Nforce 3 systems, 1gb mem and IDE HDD and took 1:47 to dump the 16mb nand. on a newer system with SATA HDD and Core2 processor it took just under a minutes using nandpro 2.0d in dos window and not gui.  which you will see in the next video released.
on the video you posted a link to was a dump on a DEV unit not a retail unit, the dev unit has a much larger nand

I told people to use a clock to count how long it takes to program a block - irrelevant of the total time.
Take an average if you want, but you will see his video each block takes approximatly 0.078 seconds, much much more than the required 0.043 for 45 seconds of 1023 blocks ie 16mb.

PC speed is not much a factor with the USB units as the software is looping thru the blocks, so unless you have a really really slow machine you should not see much different.
The devie is setup to use 64byte usb transactions.

QUOTE(carranzafp @ Mar 18 2010, 10:57 AM)

Tiros knows about the design since long time and he is a nice guy, he dont requested (nor accepted) royalities of this. When he released to public was to public, nothing more to say on that topic.

I heard he wanted nothing to do with you/it after you approached him.
Im simply saying you should give credit where credit is due, anyone else agree with me here?
Even if it was "open".


and to No1B4Me420, keep up the good work.

[greengiant]

QUOTE(letsmod @ Mar 18 2010, 08:43 AM)

people will purchase what they want, no one is forcing them to buy one product or another, we welcome team X into the market.  There always has to be a competitor.

You will see when they release the pricing it wont be for off from ours, ARM processors are not cheap

as was pointed to before, team xecuter did announce before, therefore you would be the competitor.

secondly, arm processors ARE cheap.
see: http://www.mouser.co...pXrmvp6CE4jlrOD
and thats a US pricing, in china they are as low as $5

[No1B4Me420]

QUOTE(carranzafp @ Mar 18 2010, 11:57 AM)

Tiros knows about the design since long time and he is a nice guy, he dont requested (nor accepted) royalities of this. When he released to public was to public, nothing more to say on that topic.

About price, always is a worry for us to make it enough cheap but believe me, this time whort every usd you are paying.  
Also the pre-sales are not forced to anyone, everyone can just wait till launch day to place his order.  

Best Regards
Can you tell me wich board are u producing?  even when I will not reveal our manufacturing cost I can tell you wich one is cheaper to make.  Best Regards

The board I am producing really doesn't matter, No matter what the cost of the arm chip you are using, for the quantities you will have made at once, your costs will always be lower than mine. Even with your design/prototype costs figured in.

I designed my own schematic and PCB layout(based on Darkstar's Design), Etch and drill my own boards, program the chips, assemble them myself and test every unit individually before it ships.

[letsmod]

QUOTE(greengiant @ Mar 18 2010, 10:09 AM)

as was pointed to before, team xecuter did announce before, therefore you would be the competitor.

secondly, arm processors ARE cheap.
see: http://www.mouser.co...pXrmvp6CE4jlrOD
and thats a US pricing, in china they are as low as $5

you forgot to add in engineering cost, design cost, testing, prototyping, the rest of the components, the board cost, the assembly cost, the testing cost, the programming cost, the case cost, CNC of case cost.

These are not cheap china devices!!

if all we needed was an LPC 2148 with wires hanign off it then; yes cost would be low

[greengiant]

QUOTE(carranzafp @ Mar 18 2010, 11:11 AM)

Yes, please get us 1K at 5 usd and we will give you 1K usd for your services.

Congrats to TX, always first to announce !!!
We like to wait till production is running and be the first to market matters.

Oh please. You definatly get them for under $10. And the other components donot cost more than an extra $1-2. Since the design was already done, by Tiros, its simply manufacturing.
Do oyu manufacture in china? europe?

[Rickets06]

Blue lights would be the sickest thing ever in place of the green ones... on the RF board...

picture it man, ahhhhhhh