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yaywoop

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« on: December 09, 2008, 01:51:00 AM »

QUOTE(Charlieb0y @ Dec 9 2008, 05:55 PM) View Post

I mean seriously how the P*$$ do you launch one of the most popular game systems with poor solder and or a flawed GPU...correct me if I'm wrong.
Charlieb0y  cool.gif

This is Microsoft we are talking about here. do you really expect anything more?
seriously though. the reason there are so many design problems is because they rushed the whole thing to make a early release date, and they actually wanted to make some money out of this xbox. in the long run it has cost them more.

if you have an early 360. it isn't definite, but there is a large chance of the console breaking. something like 30%
as for the later models (falcon etc) I don't know the statistics.
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2008, 03:17:00 AM »

THE FREAKIN XBOX 1 was AMAZING!!!
That WAS a good establishment.....now design a new and better one to finish the deal....WTF!@!@!@


...okay understood the design was flawed to start.....REDESIGN THE MOTHAF***ER!!!

Dont keep making them and selling them and replacing warrantied systems with the same flawed system...NEWS FLASH blink.gif it doesn't wooooooooooooooooooooooooork!

Microsoft's latest achievement "the perfection of selling flawed software & hardware" freakin yeahhhhhhhhh


ok ok sorry about the rant guys and gals...I'm just a weeee bit frustrated  biggrin.gif


Iam gonna get back on track...so if I end up buying a new system do you guys/gals think/believe the RROD can be prevented..cause I would much much rather prevent the problem instead of spending countless hours fixing the unknown just for it to reoccur =S

Example....replace X-Clamps, apply AS5, install better CFM fans "+ increased voltage", some duck work to improve air flow, along with an intake fan just behind the RF Module...like this >>http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=549063


Eh m8!!


Thanks,

Charlieb0y  cool.gif
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2008, 06:12:00 AM »

well you can bring the gpu down to a reasonable temperature.
here are my recommendations (going more for a quiet box). firstly consider not doing anything so the warranty is intact if something does go wrong.
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Example....replace X-Clamps, apply AS5, install better CFM fans "+ increased voltage", some duck work to improve air flow, along with an intake fan just behind the RF Module...like this >>http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=549063

replace xclamps - no. not unless your xbox RROD's or you are having frezing problems
apply AS5 - yes. no harm in doing this, probably won't do that much maybe reduce temp by a couple of degrees. while you have the heatsinks off you may as well flatten/sand/polish them for better contact
install better fans - yes.  should reduce noise. increase airflow.if you can be bothered buying some go ahead
voltage mod - maybe. I haven't done it with my current (falcon) xbox. because i thought adding an intake fan reduced the temps enough. if you can cope with the noise go ahead
duct work - yes. take a look at what i have done below.
intake fan - yes. definitely reduces temps. if you are prepared to cut a hole in your case. or buy/use a spare case.

this is what i have done with my current xbox.
the ducting forces all the cool air from the extra fan through the extra gpu heatsink
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I have tested it with and without the ducting and 6cm fan, it has reduced the gpu temperature by 10 degrees without any other mods. the extra fan is running on 5V
also it is quiet. not much noisier than stock.
yeah i know the holes in the case are fugly. when i buy a nice looking fan i will cut the hole out.
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2008, 06:33:00 AM »

Up to Jasper, as we don't know if they will get RROD yet, even falcons get RROD.

So best bet to avoid RROD is not buy a 360.  Most times it is just luck, I know someone who still has a launch system that still works, but he needs to replace his DVD drive, think its the laser.
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2008, 06:37:00 AM »

QUOTE(yaywoop @ Dec 9 2008, 10:27 AM) View Post

This is Microsoft we are talking about here. do you really expect anything more?
seriously though. the reason there are so many design problems is because they rushed the whole thing to make a early release date, and they actually wanted to make some money out of this xbox. in the long run it has cost them more.

if you have an early 360. it isn't definite, but there is a large chance of the console breaking. something like 30%
as for the later models (falcon etc) I don't know the statistics.

The chance of consoles breaking is at 99%, it is just a matter of time, in 10-20 years you will have a very hard time finding an xbox that still works.

Take a look at the poll on the mainpage for statistics
The last time I checked the Falcons were at an 11% failure rate, however you must regard that the falcons have only been out for 1 year and the Xenons 3 so there are way more xenons and zephyrs...
And there is also the choice "several versions", so the real failure rate for the Falcons will be at about 25-30% if not more.

And the overall failure rate seems to be at about 60%, only about 40% voted that their 360s didnt fail yet....
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bonzof.pl

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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2008, 06:51:00 AM »

tongue.gif 1 monat Hybryd putting 50szt aluminium heatsink ,I do not have the repayment guarantee
70% -90nm
30%-65nm
machine rebal
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2008, 07:20:00 AM »

QUOTE(paveynick @ Dec 10 2008, 01:40 AM) View Post

Eh?

yeah you could say that about pretty much every post he makes

QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Dec 10 2008, 01:13 AM) View Post

The chance of consoles breaking is at 99%, it is just a matter of time, in 10-20 years you will have a very hard time finding an xbox that still works.

Take a look at the poll on the mainpage for statistics
The last time I checked the Falcons were at an 11% failure rate, however you must regard that the falcons have only been out for 1 year and the Xenons 3 so there are way more xenons and zephyrs...
And there is also the choice "several versions", so the real failure rate for the Falcons will be at about 25-30% if not more.

And the overall failure rate seems to be at about 60%, only about 40% voted that their 360s didnt fail yet....

i wouldn't trust that poll. at least not for overall failure rates. the results would be very skewed by people who firstly don't vote if they haven't had RROD and also that a lot of people would come to the site because they have RROD.
so i am sure that the failure rates are a LOT lower than the poll indicates

@paveynick: thanks for the idea, i might look into it
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2008, 08:12:00 AM »

QUOTE(paveynick @ Dec 9 2008, 03:40 PM) View Post

Eh?

Here Cu radiator. aluminum casing is used and the original.putty epoxyd
http://www.mojagener...55820#slideshow
Tłumaczenie google: polski » angielski
  Now I not only consoles in 2005 in Poland
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2008, 10:21:00 AM »

QUOTE(Charlieb0y @ Dec 9 2008, 06:37 PM) View Post


What is that puddy like substance??


translate google
car repair sheet/
rebaling immediately prewent
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2008, 12:54:00 AM »

QUOTE(Charlieb0y @ Dec 10 2008, 04:37 AM) View Post

Point is man they're goin to send me a new xbox 360 with the SAME problem...the same X-Clamps with the same ventilation system.....that is prone to the same RROD
If my system does not give me an error like RROD along with all nighters on forums trying to figure out what the flip is wrong with my 360...I could give a damn about a little bit of noise from my fans...seriously...I think...THINK my assumptions and opinion...that most of your noise comes from the DVD drive.
Nice duck work btw  tongue.gif
lmao

TOTALLY AGREE as gentle as I was with mine...its ridiculous.

Wow did anyone look at that slide show bonzof.pl posted??
that looks like a good idea...I read a tut teh other night where they used small pieces of a credit card or phone card between the GPU/CPU and the heat sink to help apply equal pressure across the chip.....but that...now that looks sexy  biggrin.gif I think it would defiantly help apply equal pressure across the chips...what do you all say??
What is that puddy like substance??

Thanks for the responses

Charlieb0y  cool.gif

oh yea how do you random question how do you put the persons name your quoting beside the word quote in the quote box?? I feel like a n00b...n3wbi3 n00b n00b...lol

but eventually they might get it right and replace  your xbox mobo with one that won't rrod.

yeah most of the noise does come from the dvd drive. but if you install the game to your hard drive its not a problem.
and when watching a dvd the drive doesn't spin as fast. which is when noise is the most annoying.

the only problem with using putty like that is that it doesn't counteract any warping that has already occured. it will take the shape of the already warped board/gpu.

and to post quotes like that you press the quote button under the post that you want to quote.
or you could do it manually like this
[quote* name='Charlieb0y' post='4390795' date='Dec 10 2008, 04:37 AM'] stuff [/quote*]
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yaywoop

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 01:24:00 AM »

QUOTE(Charlieb0y @ Dec 11 2008, 05:39 PM) View Post

ummmmmmm humina humina humina  smile.gif  smile.gif

stupid quote buttons aren't on the add reply page....blah and my browser is bein GAY or i dunno...I get a blank page when I click the quote button....but anywho score tongue.gif thanks I think I can figure it out ha
what happens when one random xbox lasts past the warranty blink.gif ....iam freakin shafted

yea i was just talkin to one of my friends about that...putting xbox games on the HD..that would really help if one was concerned about noise...

okie dok...I want to prevent the problem....doing the putty thing initially before RROD wouldn't help??

 =s but isn't the X-Clamp the root of that problem...I feel like Wilhelm_I on this...its not if but a matter of when your system fails.

something has just dawned on me...ha I haven't done much research on the cause of the RROD most everything I have read is how to fix it..ha or TRY to fix eh...lol....but....from all that one can tell your problem is usually the CPU/GPU, RAM, and "south bridge I think...the ANA Chip??"...Right??

*talking to myself  unsure.gif * Okay so obviously poor soldering, cold solder points, or weak solder points...in these areas are failing...and just from being around computer electronics blah blah board fluctuation can be a problem because of constant temp change...on/off on/off on/off

What would be the best way to minimize board fluctuation and warping...lower the temp??

What are the best measures to sustain the current infrastructure of chips and solder points??

WOW..this thread>>>> http://forums.xbox-s...o...660357&st=0  is very discouraging  sad.gif...I'm lost for words....

Thanks,

Charlieb0y  cool.gif....oh yes btw my error is 0020 ARRRR!!

Does the.....umm yea....the....I dare say ph34r.gif  ph34r.gif ...the PS3 have these problems ??? cause on that note ^ we are all screwed  cussing.gif

just remember. no one speaking in that thread actually *knows* why the xbox has so many more problems than a common PC.
no one knows for sure we only have theories. some are better than others.
I think the largest cause of the rrod is movement of the board relative to the gpu. which is caused by a few things,, the board not being completely secure around the gpu and cpu, the pressure not being evenly applied to the base of the cpu/gpu. and excessive heat which acts as a catalyst for the warping.
so the first thing you should do as a preventative is to cool everything better. heat is DEFINATLY part of the cause. they don't develop  the ring of death when they are turned off do they?

if you do want to go further. replacing the xclamps with screws will hold the h/s to the board more securely but it doesn't apply pressure evenly to the gpu because the board becomes less rigid when it gets hot and because the screws only apply pressure through the board this can actually cause more warping.

in my opinion the only way to fully prevent failure is to apply even pressure to the base of the gpu, hold the board down at the corners of the h/s and have good cooling.
so we have an engineering problem. we need to combine the xclamps with the xclamp replacement and something to go between the xclamp and motherboard to apply the pressure evenly.

people have actually been working on this problem for a while now. and they are due to release their solution this weekend. the elusive hybrid project.
so i guess we will have to wait and see. it might be a very good preventative
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 01:49:00 AM »

When I wrote date ?
http://forums.xbox-s...o...3191&st=135
My konsole 2005-10-16 work tongue.gif
hybryd can be aluminum orygnal pack. smile.gif
look komentar http://www.allegro.p...?item=504110529 sorry spam http://www.allegro.p...php?uid=3622363
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10 each for the post. no taxes
translate google text sorry
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2008, 02:42:00 AM »

QUOTE(bonzof.pl @ Dec 11 2008, 08:25 PM) View Post

When I wrote date ?
http://forums.xbox-s...o...3191&st=135
My konsole 2005-10-16 work tongue.gif
hybryd can be aluminum orygnal pack. smile.gif
look komentar http://www.allegro.p...?item=504110529 sorry spam http://www.allegro.p...php?uid=3622363
How evil. tank Here me on the head will follow http://forum.xboxonl...wforum.php?f=37
10 each for the post. no taxes
translate google text sorry

did you re-ball that gpu?

are all your posts translated from polish to english using google?
it really doesn't do a very good job. (no offense)
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2008, 02:49:00 AM »

QUOTE(yaywoop @ Dec 11 2008, 11:18 AM) View Post

did you re-ball that gpu?

are all your posts translated from polish to english using google?
it really doesn't do a very good job. (no offense)

reball machine _>prewent (immediately,fast,there is no reball second time)Hybryd Factory preset balls best no ROD.
my english bad ,Wilhelm 95% hybryd reading.
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