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[Majestic008]

QUOTE(DAEWEZZY @ Aug 5 2008, 09:21 AM)

Ok, sorry for the double post, but I got my 360 working again. BUT (there had to be a but) right when I boot it up you see the typical Xbox 360 logo then I just get 2RoL.  Again any help would be appreciated.

that means its cool enough until it starts to boot up then it gets hot and the CPU turns the system off.  

probably not touching the heatsink real well. also make sure the thermal grease is in the right spots. (on the center of the CPU)

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(Majestic008 @ Aug 5 2008, 06:42 PM)

that means its cool enough until it starts to boot up then it gets hot and the CPU turns the system off.  

probably not touching the heatsink real well. also make sure the thermal grease is in the right spots. (on the center of the CPU)

It must not be on the center it must be evenly spread out before putting the heatsink back on otherwise it will act like an isolator...

[HackerSupreme]

I just had the best idea.

Get a credit card or work out some shit, and glue it to the bottom of the GPU heatsink. Therefore, you scrap the tape idea. Seems a lot better. Like your method, but glue it to the bottom of the GPU heatsink.

Seems more reliable and easier than yours.

[DAEWEZZY]

QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Aug 5 2008, 02:56 AM)

Your 360 is overheating, the heatsink is somehow not making good contact with the chip die.
Did you throrughly clean the chip dies with alcohol to a mirror finish?
And did you afterwards apply thermal compound of the size of a rice grain and afterwards spread it out evenly with a creditcard?
it would also be interesting how many washers you are using and how thick each one is?
Did you tighten the screws snug?

I just disassembled my 360 again and it seems like the heatsink isn't making contact at all with the GPU.  Could it be because I'm using black electrical tape which seems slightly thicker than the clear ones you used in your tutorial?

QUOTE(bosnia_9 @ Aug 5 2008, 07:37 AM)

what kind of washer setup do you have current? Try removing the metal washers from your CPU heatsink and just use the nylon ones

My setup is the one from Wilhelm's diagram.  I did that for both heatsinks.  I also added a nylon washer between the screw and the motherboard.

QUOTE(Majestic008 @ Aug 5 2008, 09:42 AM)

that means its cool enough until it starts to boot up then it gets hot and the CPU turns the system off.  

probably not touching the heatsink real well. also make sure the thermal grease is in the right spots. (on the center of the CPU)

Yah, the thermal compound's in the right spot and I put the right amount (grain of rice) and spread it evenly as thin as possible. It just seems my heatsink isn't making any contact with it...

[M2X]

QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Aug 5 2008, 05:41 AM)

I just wanted to let you know that there is an alternative(maybe better) way to keep the credit card pieces in place until the heatsinks were applied.

All credits for this goes to a guy called jasonelmore1983 who sent me a PM.
His idea is to fasten the credit card pieces with thermal compound, so you might want to give it a try.
If you are unlucky this will cause problems though because the layer of thermal compound may not be much thicker than the tape otherwise you risk that the heatsink doesnt make good contact with the chip die anymore...

Man thanks for your tips!
I'm finally at home now and I've got some good news an bad news!
Bad news first:
The box that I repaired the other week got f***ed up real bad today!  
While it's owner was carrying it, he wasn't very careful and it was dropped on the table... Nice results! Some good ol' pile of 0102 sh*t again. He didn't drop it that bad but it got f***ed up for that and now I've got to put some more work on it...  

Now for the good news:
Dude you're not gonna believe this! I've got my hands on 2 RRoD boxes!!! (well actually 3 considering the F***ed up one)
One of them has 0102 which is in fact the best error and I like it a lot!!!
The other one got some crappy E74 which is concerning me a bit...
Now another good news is that I'm finally able to do a hybrid of yours and RBJTech's method and hopefully post some success results...
Now about E74. Since I have never fixed/seen a box with that, what do you suggest?
I doubt x-clamp replacement will do any good. So any other method?
Thanks in advance for helping us out...  

[bosnia_9]

if your getting 2 RROD after x clamp fix, remove the metal washers and just keep the nylon washers.

[M2X]

QUOTE(bosnia_9 @ Aug 6 2008, 02:21 AM)

if your getting 2 RROD after x clamp fix, remove the metal washers and just keep the nylon washers.

ummmm, no!
I meant I have 2 boxes with RRoD!!! I just wrote 2 RRoD not 2RRoD!!!
LOL! My bad!
So now there are 5 boxes here in my room! WOW! I'm the richest guy ever!!!
1) My own box (thank god it's been working nice since the fix)
2) A working box that requires 12v fan mod and cutting the fan's cage.
3) A non-working 0102 which I repaired but got f***ed up today.
4) Another non-working 0102 box.
5) Another one with E74!

Something I realized about the E74 box is that the fans just level up after each 5secs.
IE they're running slow at first. After 5 secs they spin up and so on till they create a horrible noise...
Why is that? Why so much heat?  

[M2X]

QUOTE(DAEWEZZY @ Aug 6 2008, 12:51 AM)

I just disassembled my 360 again and it seems like the heatsink isn't making contact at all with the GPU.  Could it be because I'm using black electrical tape which seems slightly thicker than the clear ones you used in your tutorial?
My setup is the one from Wilhelm's diagram.  I did that for both heatsinks.  I also added a nylon washer between the screw and the motherboard.
Yah, the thermal compound's in the right spot and I put the right amount (grain of rice) and spread it evenly as thin as possible. It just seems my heatsink isn't making any contact with it...

You've got to reduce the number of washers you are currently using.
2RRoDs are commonly CPU side problems (As I have seen so far). If playing with washers didn't work a shim should do the trick.

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Aug 5 2008, 10:42 PM)

I just had the best idea.

Get a credit card or work out some shit, and glue it to the bottom of the GPU heatsink. Therefore, you scrap the tape idea. Seems a lot better. Like your method, but glue it to the bottom of the GPU heatsink.

Seems more reliable and easier than yours.

might be easier but it wont work so it is quite pointless...
I am working on the tape "issue" and already got an alternative, will take pics tomorrow(am charging my cam now) and updatre the guide.

QUOTE(DAEWEZZY @ Aug 5 2008, 11:21 PM)

I just disassembled my 360 again and it seems like the heatsink isn't making contact at all with the GPU.  Could it be because I'm using black electrical tape which seems slightly thicker than the clear ones you used in your tutorial?
My setup is the one from Wilhelm's diagram.  I did that for both heatsinks.  I also added a nylon washer between the screw and the motherboard.
Yah, the thermal compound's in the right spot and I put the right amount (grain of rice) and spread it evenly as thin as possible. It just seems my heatsink isn't making any contact with it...

I dont know but bosnia had the same issues with his 360 somehow the American washers must be thicker than the ones I got here,,,
Each washer should be 1mm thick so make sure this matches....
Could also be the electrical tape tha tis too thick but I would rather bet on the washer

QUOTE(M2X @ Aug 5 2008, 11:41 PM)

Man thanks for your tips!
I'm finally at home now and I've got some good news an bad news!
Bad news first:
The box that I repaired the other week got f***ed up real bad today!  
While it's owner was carrying it, he wasn't very careful and it was dropped on the table... Nice results! Some good ol' pile of 0102 sh*t again. He didn't drop it that bad but it got f***ed up for that and now I've got to put some more work on it...  

Now for the good news:
Dude you're not gonna believe this! I've got my hands on 2 RRoD boxes!!! (well actually 3 considering the F***ed up one)
One of them has 0102 which is in fact the best error and I like it a lot!!!
The other one got some crappy E74 which is concerning me a bit...
Now another good news is that I'm finally able to do a hybrid of yours and RBJTech's method and hopefully post some success results...
Now about E74. Since I have never fixed/seen a box with that, what do you suggest?
I doubt x-clamp replacement will do any good. So any other method?
Thanks in advance for helping us out...  

The X-Clamp replacement will fix it if it is GPU related, to make sure it isnt the (H)ANA chip I would recommend that you reflow the solder under GPU, (H)ANA and in between.
First do the bottom, 1 min preheat 4 mins on high -> wait 45 minutes , then isolate the top , preheat for 1 min heatgun for 4 min-> wait another 45 minutes.
Afterwards do the X-Clamp replacement.
Should fix this one forever...

QUOTE(M2X @ Aug 6 2008, 01:05 AM)

ummmm, no!
I meant I have 2 boxes with RRoD!!! I just wrote 2 RRoD not 2RRoD!!!
LOL! My bad!
So now there are 5 boxes here in my room! WOW! I'm the richest guy ever!!!
1) My own box (thank god it's been working nice since the fix)
2) A working box that requires 12v fan mod and cutting the fan's cage.
3) A non-working 0102 which I repaired but got f***ed up today.
4) Another non-working 0102 box.
5) Another one with E74!

Something I realized about the E74 box is that the fans just level up after each 5secs.
IE they're running slow at first. After 5 secs they spin up and so on till they create a horrible noise...
Why is that? Why so much heat?  

He was not talking to you he meant DAEWEEZY

This only means that the chip dies arent making good contact with the dies, since it is E74 the mainboard might be flexing badly or someone already attempted a fix and couldnt use the thermal compound properly...

QUOTE(M2X @ Aug 6 2008, 01:16 AM)

You've got to reduce the number of washers you are currently using.
2RRoDs are commonly CPU side problems (As I have seen so far). If playing with washers didn't work a shim should do the trick.

Just what bosnia said before

[bosnia_9]

QUOTE(M2X @ Aug 5 2008, 07:05 PM)

ummmm, no!
I meant I have 2 boxes with RRoD!!! I just wrote 2 RRoD not 2RRoD!!!
LOL! My bad!
So now there are 5 boxes here in my room! WOW! I'm the richest guy ever!!!
1) My own box (thank god it's been working nice since the fix)
2) A working box that requires 12v fan mod and cutting the fan's cage.
3) A non-working 0102 which I repaired but got f***ed up today.
4) Another non-working 0102 box.
5) Another one with E74!

Something I realized about the E74 box is that the fans just level up after each 5secs.
IE they're running slow at first. After 5 secs they spin up and so on till they create a horrible noise...
Why is that? Why so much heat?  

i wasnt talking to you alright dude, i personally dont care if you have 20 xboxes with 1 rrod or 4 rrod. you do what you want with them and fix them how you want. this topic doesnt revolve around you and your xboxes..

[DAEWEZZY]

So I took the tape off of the GPU and voila! My Xbox 360 is working perfect.  Now my only concern is how long this'll last for.

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(DAEWEZZY @ Aug 6 2008, 04:22 AM)

So I took the tape off of the GPU and voila! My Xbox 360 is working perfect.  Now my only concern is how long this'll last for.

This pretty much confirms that the height of the creditcard pieces is just perfect, a tiny bit too much and it is higher than the die...
Am updating the tutorial right now will reply when I am done...

[Wilhelm_I]

Well I am done now.
I added an alternative method for those of you who dont want to use tape to fasten it.
I recommend the easier tape method though because it doesnt isolate the chip at all, the heat is only transfered to the heatsink anyway and the thermal probes in my own 360 pretty much confirm that.

The missing diagram for metal/ spring washers in between mainboard and screw was added as well

And I also added a warning for using too thick tape.

Next update will be for the hybrid of RBJTechs and mine that M2X is testing out but this will still take a while I guess...

Link: http://xe.brothersof...php?n=xclampeng


Wilhelm

[kreestof]

For those of you who have done this for multiple xbox 360s, about how long does it take you to do this per console?

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(kreestof @ Aug 6 2008, 06:55 PM)

For those of you who have done this for multiple xbox 360s, about how long does it take you to do this per console?

Takes me around an hour for the whole process(included disassembling etc), sometimes faster.

With heatgunning it takes about 3 hours because of the long waiting times but this is not always necessary at least not for the usual errors...