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[Second-Thought]

QUOTE(tweak41 @ Jul 21 2008, 02:22 PM)

I give up.  Apparently being passionate and excited about something new is a bad thing these days?

Eh, I'm stuck between agreeing with their having their own opinions and the feeling that I'd rather not have people who can't be bothered to gather details I grasped while reading OBsIV's blog entry on the XIM for the first time becoming members of the forum. Still, the impending neglect this subject is about to receive is somewhat bothersome.

http://obsiv.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!948789BF56FAF394!282.entry

It probably would have been best if the thread wasn't created, considering I don't have the time to hunt down and explain to every fool on the internet who finds information on items like the XFPS and XIM and then goes about proclaiming the death of competitive gaming on consoles due to this end-all "cheating device," to quote one such moron, that the XFPS and XIM still have to work within the boundaries of the game and are no more able at performing any task than the controller. I especially love when they try to hint at the nonexistent violations of the Xbox 360's Terms of Service that they never bothered reading (though it is a nice surprise to see that they know such things exist). Nothing like having kiddies who think the FPS genre was born from the Halo series act like they should be the one to decide what I have to use to play the game that I purchased to get the blood boiling.

Reading it again, that link to the pre-order thread is definitely a problem, though. I personally don't care to mislead people into buying something, so I will fashion the wall of text specific for the person and their questions with the reminder that they should know almost all there is about the product before they buy it, but more than that I don't want people crawling over the XIM without proper knowledge of it...
...And probably some experience with other adapters, so that they know where a lot of the original XIM users are coming from. Point being you shouldn't just show people with no knowledge of the XFPS or XIM where to purchase them. Oh, sure, you might be expediting the entire process of their finding a more merry gaming experience, but it runs the risk of their advancing to a level of disappointment that was entirely avoidable. So that second link was quite careless, at least without a complete description of the XFPS and XIM, along with the XIM2's development preceding it in the post.

As for profitability, the entire project still retains the feeling that it is little more than a personal project of OBsIV's and a hobby of Derek's, and they are the only two who will probably be making any money out of this besides the random seller. It's still obvious from OBsIV's blog that the XIM started entirely as a do-it-yourself project for anyone who wanted a better mouse experience than what is offered by the XFPS series. Everything produced by OBsIV was released freely and all materials were acquired through other companies. Of course some people couldn't or didn't want to construct an XIM for themselves, so naturally a small market of individuals who would pay for pre-built models formed, and a few individuals moved to supply such buyers with an XIM. Because the introduction of the XIM was handled in such a way, it is hard for me to see this purely as an attempt to advertise, (Yay! Super-Fun Conspiracy Time!) as it would be at the behest of either Derek or OBsIV, and that would be an act that doesn't quite follow their behavior with the first XIM's production. Maybe Derek sounds a bit too enthusiastic about the XIM2 at times, but it doesn't seem suspicious considering how well the new unit actually does seem to work with Halo 3, one of the games that never quite liked to work with the XIM in the absence of excessive configuration tweaks. And OBsIV? Well, he almost never posts, past replying to the random question or "thank you," which definitely seems to back up the idea of how much trouble it was and still is to design, test, and organize the XIM2 for distribution (Fun Time's over). Though I could go on about how some of the users are a bit on the fanatic side, they do not stand to make any profit from the XIM2, so that'd be ten sentences of wasted text past this block that I have lost complete control over. What was I writing about, again?

[Chancer]

QUOTE(Second-Thought @ Jul 22 2008, 05:04 AM)

 I especially love when they try to hint at the nonexistent violations of the Xbox 360's Terms of Service that they never bothered reading (though it is a nice surprise to see that they know such things exist)

There have been no violations on that score at all. Legitimately sold devices do not make the people that buy them cheats. Use of such is still dependant on the skill of the person using such. You are correct in what you say.
I have even heard and been called a cheat online for choosing Barcelona in PES2008. (It gives an unfair advantage??) Apparently some people class anything as cheating.

QUOTE(Second-Thought @ Jul 22 2008, 05:04 AM)

Nothing like having kiddies who think the FPS genre was born from the Halo series act like they should be the one to decide what I have to use to play the game that I purchased to get the blood boiling.

Unfortunately the same type of person would insist on amputation of a hand if you used the same hardware as them and were better than them. The same type of person that calls people out for using "The Noob Tube" on GOW.

QUOTE(tweak41 @ Jul 21 2008, 07:16 PM)

I have no stake in the XIM product whether it succeeds or fails. The only thing I've done is purchased the hardware to use. I originally created this thread to share as a news item because the first submission I made was completely ignored.  I have already given XanTium the necessary contact information to get a sample of the product once the PCBs have shipped from the factory, which are being ordered today :-)

Oh, and the whole "our community" thing, being a member of the forums makes me part of the whole, thus my choice in said possessive pronoun.  I'll make a better choice in words next time so as not to be flamed again.

Not the new hardware? Just the original hardware?
You were not flamed but you can not expect people to just lay down rollover and accept your word.
I don't have any other interest apart from the fact this thread has been brought to my attention over the last few days as a sales orientated thread. Enthusiasm is great but please re-read and look how this looks (not just to me but to others).
If this latest product has not shipped yet how can anyone give a review of it.
In this part of the world it is against Distance Selling Regulations to offer a product up for pre-order or sale on a site without full traceable contact details.
No I do not use this type of product, but this doesn't  prevent me from looking over this thread when members Pm me, and I stand by the fact that the boards on the product website are not the best source of unbiased opinion. I would much prefer a review from a long standing member here, who has used other products to compare. That can't happen yet as this version has not yet shipped if I read correctly.
Like I said I am not reviewing the actual product here I am in objection to the way this is being hyped/sold/pushed in this thread without true unbiased reviews.
Hopefully Xantium will receive some test hardware as he will make sure the reviewer is experienced with other devices, but until then and until this version ships out this thread is hype and speculation.