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[xXvdubXx]

ok, well it has been 2 week this coming monday.  I haven't even so much as frozen.  The only thing that concerns me is the size of these washers.  My dad says he doesn't think that it is that much of a deal.

The inputs of all the cables, USB, A/V, and power are about a 16th - 8th of an inch off so all it takes is like a little nudge to put the cables in.  Does this matter if I screw the case back in?  Will it effect the board so much that it will break again?  If it isn't that bad then I'll put it back together for about a week then i'll order my case mod.

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(xXvdubXx @ Jul 17 2008, 04:29 AM)

ok, well it has been 2 week this coming monday.  I haven't even so much as frozen.  The only thing that concerns me is the size of these washers.  My dad says he doesn't think that it is that much of a deal.

The inputs of all the cables, USB, A/V, and power are about a 16th - 8th of an inch off so all it takes is like a little nudge to put the cables in.  Does this matter if I screw the case back in?  Will it effect the board so much that it will break again?  If it isn't that bad then I'll put it back together for about a week then i'll order my case mod.

The board will bend then and this will cause it to break in no time again...
drill big holes through the metal case for the screws to fit through or get rid of the washer

[xXvdubXx]

would filing the head of the bolt down work too, just so I don't have to have big holes in the metal case?  The screwdriver will still fit and work, it will just have a more filed down head.  If that is a bad idea just let me know and we'll drill.

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(xXvdubXx @ Jul 18 2008, 07:08 AM)

would filing the head of the bolt down work too, just so I don't have to have big holes in the metal case?  The screwdriver will still fit and work, it will just have a more filed down head.  If that is a bad idea just let me know and we'll drill.

This is a bad idea since it will become uneven and you will have uneven pressure on each of the 4 corners...
Just get a big drill or get rid of the washers under the mainboard...

[xXvdubXx]

so the washers don't matter?

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(xXvdubXx @ Jul 19 2008, 04:50 AM)

so the washers don't matter?

They have the function to split up the pressure so that the load of the screw is shared up to the whole area.
It also works without them though just dont overtighten the screws or it might break the mainboard as well(still not even nearly as bad as the bending caused if you use them).
The best choice is to drill the holes though...

[xXvdubXx]

ok, i'll do that sometime this weekend or before wednesday and then i'll repost here with results.  and again, thank you.

[xXvdubXx]

ok well, I turned on my box last night and it got a little loud again but there were no problems.  Today I got home from church, and turned it on, noone was on so i left it on to see what it would do and went downstairs to watch Gone in 60 Seconds.  Came back up, 2 flashing red lights again.  this is getting really old really quick.  I did the x-clamp replacement stuff,i haven't screwed it back in yet so that isn't to blame, what else could possibly be wrong?  The board can't be flexing anymore because there are no x-clamps and there is no plastic shell around it making it bend yet.  I'm kind of baffled at how it is still doing this.  How many more solutions are there?

[michael196]

I have exactly the same problem, when I tight the screws really hard, it get 3rlod (I did the X-Clamp fix)
when I unscrew it a bit, it turns on and gives me the 3rlod
with error code 0001- power problem if I remember, and other time some error with 0031 or something like that but it says on the guide that its unknow, probably overheating.
I havent tried heatgunning it just yet, dont know if it would help, and I also wouldnt mind to have a link to the tutorial anyway.

[Wilhelm_I]

if you havent screwed it in yet it is not a big surprise that it is overheating because the heatsink doesnt have proper contact with the chip die...
It must have some contact as it lasts 60 seconds.(otherwise it would be like 2 seconds)
I guess you applied the thermal compound properly and spread it out evenly, size of a rice grain etc. so I dont expect that you did this wrong...
Also check the secondary error code it might be 0013 which is RAM overheating and can be caused by cold solder joint under the RAM...

*EDIT*
@ michael196:
You will have a bad solder joint under the chip then(error code 0020?)
if it is 0001 it can be every thing though, check your board for metal chipping and also make sure that you are using washers because the GPU heatsink shorts out a component and causes 0001 if you screw it in without washers...
Let me know if this worked...

This post has been edited by Wilhelm_I: Jul 21 2008, 10:51 AM

[michael196]

I have used washers for both the CPU and GPU, when I tight it all the way, it gives 3rlod with 0001, if I tight it a little bit less, then I may work for 2 secs and report overheating.
oh yea, btw, I havent glued them, is it really neccesery?, neither I have heatgunned or overheated it while its on 3rlod.

[michael196]

sorry about the double post, (dont know how to edit),I did the x-clamp fix again, this time with the overheating, and keep getting 0020, which is unknown, probably overheating....
btw, I still havent applied AS5, and have screwed the screw really snug.
Thanks

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(michael196 @ Jul 22 2008, 05:40 PM)

sorry about the double post, (dont know how to edit),I did the x-clamp fix again, this time with the overheating, and keep getting 0020, which is unknown, probably overheating....
btw, I still havent applied AS5, and have screwed the screw really snug.
Thanks

lol
You havent used AS5?
No wonder it is overheating mate.
Apply AS5 otherwise it will always overheat...

*EDIT*
And 0020 is a short in the CPU/GPU/RAM area and not overheating...

This post has been edited by Wilhelm_I: Jul 22 2008, 08:18 PM

[michael196]

with overheating, I ment that this time I did the x-clamp fix and overheated the console.
now I just turn it on and it gives the 3rlod, and the code is 0020 ( in the pinned guide it says unknown/overheating), sometimes if I loose the screws a bit, it gives 0001, but im sure my power brick is right.
btw, if I loose the screws even more, the console starts and then gives 2 rlod after a few secs, maybe because there is no AS5?
dunno, oh yea, btw again, lol, do I have to use AS5, or any glue will do?
Thanks

This post has been edited by michael196: Jul 22 2008, 09:51 PM

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(michael196 @ Jul 22 2008, 11:25 PM)

dunno, oh yea, btw again, lol, do I have to use AS5, or any glue will do?

First of all you dont "glue" the heatsinks to the chip this would be a pretty stupid idea.
If you meant that you want to apply thermal compound I am taking back what I just said...
WIthout using thermal compound(like AS5) your 360 will overheat after a minute or so since the heat cant be transfered properly to the heatsinks.
It is quite hard to believe that it is running at all as the CPU overheats immediately if you dont replace it with new...
So go clean the chip dies to a mirror finish like shown in all the tutorials.
Then add thermal compound of the size of a rice grain(AS5 or something similar) and spread it out evenly with a credit card, the finer the layer the better it transfers the heat...
After that report which errors you get then...





Just to your information:
0001 is a short probably caused by the heatsink that shorts out, it might also just be overwritten by the 0020 so this must not be the only reason check for stuff that might short other components out
0020 -> read my first post

This post has been edited by Wilhelm_I: Jul 22 2008, 10:16 PM