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[bosnia_9]

QUOTE(moreniu @ Jul 10 2008, 04:06 PM)

Error 0020, was 0110 before replacing the x clamp... Did not put much pressure at all but it just won't change out of 0020.

Removed the heatsincs, cleaned the thermal paste, did try heatgun it for a while all over the hana chip > gpu > cpu > ram, 1 min @300 c~ then around 2-3min at around, and still gives me error 0020... What did i break?? ><

Thanks!

remove the metal washers from your setup.. only have nylon ones and just dont a snug tight fit

[moreniu]

No go... T_T

[bosnia_9]

QUOTE(moreniu @ Jul 10 2008, 04:46 PM)

No go... T_T

Your motherboard must be wraped (bend) pretty good then.. 0020 is about the GPU.. if you run your xbox for 5min.. take off the gpu heatsink do you have a perfect square replica on the heatsink of the GPU dye with the thermal paste?

does the paste actually transfer over? same with the CPU.. make sure their making contact..

i know that heatgun (correctly) and that only nylon washer setup on the GPU/CPU should have the box up and running.

5minute heatgunning is good, 1min warm up .. then 4min on 2nd setting

[raster1]

hi to all !
this is only tutorial that make my Xbox working again (err.E74)
heatgun, 1 sec. on 350 and 3 sec. on 500, upper side only on GPU and ANA, and replace thermal paste
important, when reassembling do not use a long torx on center on xbox, if you do, is possible to re-break solder joints.
other torx not so close firmely.

thanks !!

Andrea

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(raster1 @ Jul 11 2008, 02:12 PM)

hi to all !
this is only tutorial that make my Xbox working again (err.E74)
heatgun, 1 sec. on 350 and 3 sec. on 500, upper side only on GPU and ANA, and replace thermal paste
important, when reassembling do not use a long torx on center on xbox, if you do, is possible to re-break solder joints.
other torx not so close firmely.

thanks !!

Andrea

Suppose you mean 1 minute preheating and 3 minutes heatgunning 1 second would pretty much be pointless

And ye you do watch out that the heads of the screws+washer arent higher than 3mm under the mainboard because then the center will cause the mainboard to flex when you screws it in...
It can be solved by using flatter screw heads or drilling holes into the metal case so that the screws fit through

[raster1]

yes minute, not second ...
 

[DarkSabre_X]

just tried to heatgun bottom of mobo and then top. my 360 has been jumping between 0020, 0110, 0022. put everything back together and still 0110 and 0022 when i play with the xclamp replacement screws. do i need those nylon washers under mobo and on top or just the ones on top?  i have a feeling i may be buying another xbox.  this sucks so bad. any tips. when i used the heatgun i used it over the ram gpu cup and ana chips. 1 min heat up and 3 mins on 560c.

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(DarkSabre_X @ Jul 15 2008, 03:42 AM)

just tried to heatgun bottom of mobo and then top. my 360 has been jumping between 0020, 0110, 0022. put everything back together and still 0110 and 0022 when i play with the xclamp replacement screws. do i need those nylon washers under mobo and on top or just the ones on top?  i have a feeling i may be buying another xbox.  this sucks so bad. any tips. when i used the heatgun i used it over the ram gpu cup and ana chips. 1 min heat up and 3 mins on 560c.

Try 1 min heat up and 4 minutes heatgunning
I couldnt fix some that I only did for 3 minutes, the error returned later because it didnt reflow properly.
At first heatgun the bottom for the same time, then wait 45 minutes and then turn it around and do the top, focus mainly on GPU, RAM and ANA chip.

0020 and 0022 are both bridged solder joints, so if it doesnt work this time their condition is too bad to fix them with a reflow and reballing will be your last option

Also try lawdawgs x clamp replacement and make sure that the mainboard fits properly in the case and doesnt bend because of the screw heads...(there is only a 3mm gap)
Otherwise you will have to drill holes for the screws to fit through or use no washers at all

[DarkSabre_X]

ok i think i'll give it one last try before i replace it and use my current 360 as a doorstop.  i was using lawdawgs xclamp and i was worried the lack of washers may have caused the 0022. but i will be diligent and try again.

[chadives]

nothing to do w/ this thread, but a dead 360 would be an expensive doorstop.  Parting it out in the BST forums will likely help recoup over a third of your investment if you do it right.  IE: psu, dvd drive, hdd, rol board, cables, case, heatsinks, fans, controller, and dead MOBO.

not to discourage your revival....good luck.

[HeLLSaTaN]

This technique didn't seem to work for me. I tried about 3 times. Always did about a 1 min warm up and then 3 mins on both GPU and CPU. That didn't work so I went a little longer maybe 4 mins, then 5 the third time. Third time a just started to see a lil brown mark on the caps so I cut it (it was probably over 5 mins I was getting a little tired of doing this over and over again)
Did the xclamps fix and right away E74 still Tried playing with the xclamps screws for a bit and couldn't get it out of E74.
Pretty sure my xbox needs to be Reballed maybe. I will try my other 3ROD box I got sitting here I bought off ebay. I'm also not sure if its E74 or some other error as I have never got it out of 3RODing yet (hehe no time)

But Parchment paper and 2 layers of Tin Foil works great its just hard to tape anything to the Paper as it is NON stick paper so you just gotta kinda mold it to the board. The third time I did was just 2 layers of foil and that's probably what causes 2 caps to start to burn. The board still works but still E74.
Or if all else fails just use LOTS of foil that also works just go crazy and do like 4 layers that is what I did my 2nd time as I threw out my Paper and getting a little frustrated.

Wish me luck hope to learn how to fix this other one and Mod it learn junk on it for fun keeps me busy  

Edit: Forgot to say I was using a Cheap Black and Decker Heat gun (40 bucks) It says it goes up to 500C on high not sure what the low temp was. But the Instructions and Websites says it goes up to 500-550 or something like that. Should of been more then enough heat.

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(HeLLSaTaN @ Jul 16 2008, 01:28 PM)

The third time I did was just 2 layers of foil and that's probably what causes 2 caps to start to burn. The board still works but still E74.

Looks like your 360 really needs to be reballed then
As I said aluminum foil only doesnt work because it transfers the heat very well and if the caps get in touch with it they get burned.The aluminum transfers the heat away and the second layer protects the components from the heat of the aluminum.
If you would have heatgunned it longer the caps would have blown

[chadives]

Wilhelm, do you know which components on the board are not rated for 450C?  I would like to compile a list at some point to see for one if there would be a way to use an oven to reflow by removing the usual suspects from the board, and 2nd a place to look for F'd parts on unsuccessful heatgunnings.

If it is just the electorlytic caps and some other somewhat easily removed parts, it would be a reliable reflow method.  It would even open the door for some home re-balling with leaded solder for the brave.

Cheers on the tutorial btw, it is good to see a bit more progress with this problem. (after 3 years)

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(chadives @ Jul 16 2008, 06:45 PM)

Wilhelm, do you know which components on the board are not rated for 450C?  I would like to compile a list at some point to see for one if there would be a way to use an oven to reflow by removing the usual suspects from the board, and 2nd a place to look for F'd parts on unsuccessful heatgunnings.

If it is just the electorlytic caps and some other somewhat easily removed parts, it would be a reliable reflow method.  It would even open the door for some home re-balling with leaded solder for the brave.

Cheers on the tutorial btw, it is good to see a bit more progress with this problem. (after 3 years)

The things that easily start cooking are the big electrolytic caps as you pointed out already...
In a reflow oven you will also have to take care of the plugs which you will have to desolder first as well since they contain plastics
The buttons are also important since they will kind of melt and be hard to use afterwards.
This is only necessary if the heat is directed right at them though but I recently bought an xbox by a guy who used a reflow oven to fix it and the plugs and button were completely melted.
Luckily I had a broken mainboard that I could steal the parts from and got it to work without even having to use the heatgun...
So this is really an option but since the heatgun couldnt do anything I doubt that this will fix it for you as I said before reballing will most likely be your last option...

[Tone666]

Hello... i just tried this and everything was ok it seemed..

One problem tho, one of the capacitors (the one on its own, the right side of the 2 front memory chips, has a small black plastic square next to it) it has blown and also came loose

Does anyone in the UK have a spare one of these?

Says on the side 220uf and 10v.. the rest of the board is perfect.. you think maplins would stock a suitable replacement??

Any help would be much appreciated!

Regards..

Tone