Topic: Tutorial: Heatgunning Without Damaging Anything (Read 3233 times)

Wilhelm_I · « **Reply #15 on:** June 01, 2008, 11:52:00 PM »

QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jun 2 2008, 01:19 AM)

Ya where did you find the plastic foil?

Is it possible to just use like a couple of layers of aluminum paper?

You need at least one layer of something else otherwise you will cook the caps because aluminium conducts the heat very well...
the aluminium is there as a shield against the air, the seconds layer is the real isolation...

I guess I took my plastic foil out of the package that my 360 same with but I am not too sure anymore
Try using a few layers of paper maybe just as a test but be aware that it might go on fire, so make sure you close all holes with the aluminum foil
Here are some examples of what conducts heat very well and what doesnt...
http://en.wikipedia....al_conductivity

NEWBIEMUPPET · « **Reply #16 on:** June 02, 2008, 04:04:00 AM »

Hi. I performed as per your tutorial, must admit for first board. You right the foil did provide some energy dissipating effect however it was still ripped open. I believe it was fully enclosed, and just wanted to make people aware that there is this potential to have accident and just to be careful. Better safe than sorry.

Is still a good tutorial though. But I think I will be buying a reflow station off fleabay

Shareef187 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2008, 08:06:00 AM »

QUOTE(NEWBIEMUPPET @ Jun 2 2008, 11:40 AM)

Hi. I performed as per your tutorial, must admit for first board. You right the foil did provide some energy dissipating effect however it was still ripped open. I believe it was fully enclosed, and just wanted to make people aware that there is this potential to have accident and just to be careful. Better safe than sorry.

Is still a good tutorial though. But I think I will be buying a reflow station off fleabay

Don't reflow stations cost thousands of $'s?

Wilhelm_I · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2008, 08:11:00 AM »

QUOTE(Shareef187 @ Jun 2 2008, 04:42 PM)

Don't reflow stations cost thousands of $'s?

Rather hundreds you can get some for around 300(~500$) already

Shareef187 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 02, 2008, 08:33:00 AM »

I've asked this before, but are reflow stations difficult to learn to use? I was considering purchasing one previously, but now I wonder if it would be a worthwhile return on my investment considering that 90% of the time using a heat gun (which only cost me $30 as opposed to $500) is all that I need.

NEWBIEMUPPET · « **Reply #20 on:** June 03, 2008, 03:42:00 PM »

depends on how many boxes your turning round with regards to the cost. Really are easy to use, IR ones are the way forward as they localise the heat. I suppose it also depends on whether your going to remove bga and re ball them. Is quite a bit of hassle but would be the most solid fix as you could reflux the bga pin profile.

bosnia_9 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 03, 2008, 07:33:00 PM »

how the f*** do you wrap that aluminum paper like that i cant get it to stay sealed to the board...

bosnia_9 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 03, 2008, 08:51:00 PM »

well i did it but i dont know if i did it for long enough.. i ran it for 4 minutes.. 1 minute pre heat then the other 3 on setting 2 which can goes up to 450C.. and setting 1 does 250C.. so i think thats enough?

bosnia_9 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 03, 2008, 10:04:00 PM »

well i did the under side as well for 4 minutes.. and hopefully im doing the x clamp fix and I hope it runs!

Wilhelm_I · « **Reply #24 on:** June 04, 2008, 07:51:00 AM »

LOL am glad you figured it out

sp1kez · « **Reply #25 on:** June 08, 2008, 11:32:00 PM »

Have tried 3 xboxes with clamp fix and heatgunned and still not working

erros are

0110
0102
0022

maybe im not heat gunning them enough

Wilhelm_I · « **Reply #26 on:** June 08, 2008, 11:51:00 PM »

QUOTE(sp1kez @ Jun 9 2008, 08:08 AM)

Have tried 3 xboxes with clamp fix and heatgunned and still not working

erros are

0110
0102
0022
maybe im not heat gunning them enough

Well I guess you focused on the wrong components...
0110 is a cold solder joint under one of the RAM bricks, so put each one of them under pressure while booting the 360 until the ROD disappears. Once youve located the one that is broken heatgun it...

0102 is a problem with the digital backbone so focus on GPU, CPU and RAM, hewatgun from both sides

0022 is similar to E74(broken ana-chip connection) with the addition that the GPU also has a bridged/cold solder joint
So heatgun the area from the GPU to the ANA-chip also from both sides

Also make sure that your heatgun gets hot enough it should at least reach a 230°C because 218°C is the melting point of the solder

tlcwobler · « **Reply #27 on:** June 09, 2008, 11:44:00 AM »

Hi, I'm about to attempt the heatgun method. I did the x-clamp and it worked while it was in my hands but once it went back to my friend it started freezing and went to the red rings again.

well my question on the heatgun method is I see that you used tape to tape down the plastic foil, but from the pictures I can't see if you taped the aluminum foil down as well. reason I ask is that I won't wanna tape that aluminum foil and the tape melt to the board. thanks.

sp1kez · « **Reply #28 on:** June 09, 2008, 12:07:00 PM »

QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Jun 9 2008, 02:27 AM)

Well I guess you focused on the wrong components...
0110 is a cold solder joint under one of the RAM bricks, so put each one of them under pressure while booting the 360 until the ROD disappears. Once youve located the one that is broken heatgun it...

0102 is a problem with the digital backbone so focus on GPU, CPU and RAM, hewatgun from both sides

0022 is similar to E74(broken ana-chip connection) with the addition that the GPU also has a bridged/cold solder joint
So heatgun the area from the GPU to the ANA-chip also from both sides

Also make sure that your heatgun gets hot enough it should at least reach a 230°C because 218°C is the melting point of the solder

Put pressure from the top of the motherboard or from underneath? I tried putting pressure on the 2 In front of Heatsink (GPU) and no go, should I remove the heatsink and put pressure on the 2 under there? will the xbox boot without the GPU heatsink?

EDIT- Just tried putting presure on each and it still went to RROD, Im thinking this may be another problem?

Wilhelm_I · « **Reply #29 on:** June 09, 2008, 03:38:00 PM »

QUOTE(sp1kez @ Jun 9 2008, 08:43 PM)

Put pressure from the top of the motherboard or from underneath? I tried putting pressure on the 2 In front of Heatsink (GPU) and no go, should I remove the heatsink and put pressure on the 2 under there? will the xbox boot without the GPU heatsink?
EDIT- Just tried putting presure on each and it still went to RROD, Im thinking this may be another problem?

Put a washer on both of them and put the heatsink back on this will take them under pressure, without a heatsink the GPU will overheat after 2 seconds
It will most likely be these two then

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