Topic: Tutorial: Heatgunning Without Damaging Anything (Read 3236 times)

Wilhelm_I · « **Reply #60 on:** July 01, 2008, 04:56:00 PM »

QUOTE(josiah1992 @ Jul 1 2008, 12:21 AM)

hey wilhelm its me agin lol.
i just have one question.
in one of the steps, you said to cut holes ou in the insulation for the chips,
but in the pictures the insulation doesnt cover the part of the board where th chips are.
so should the insualtion be convering the whole board and have holes in so you can only see the chips,
or do i just need to cover the board around the chips like in the pictures?
hope that made sense lol.

LOL
This is classic dude!

The guy already replied to your post and make sure you preview your post everytime and read through it man.

I am not going to make an own error code guide, the one on here is pretty good already they just need to update a couple of entries since they are kind of not up to date anymore like 0020 0022 0013 etc

josiah1992 · « **Reply #61 on:** July 01, 2008, 05:19:00 PM »

QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Jul 2 2008, 12:32 AM)

LOL
This is classic dude!

The guy already replied to your post and make sure you preview your post everytime and read through it man.

I am not going to make an own error code guide, the one on here is pretty good already they just need to update a couple of entries since they are kind of not up to date anymore like 0020 0022 0013 etc

sorry man, it was quite late when i posted that. i will preview and read through all my posts in the future.

Squeakk · « **Reply #62 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:58:00 PM »

So today while booting up UT3 (great game playing all day). I got RROD again, same 0102 error. Just did heat trick again, this time for 4 minutes (no popping sounds!) as opposed to 2 minutes the first time.

Squeakk · « **Reply #63 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:56:00 AM »

Just plugged everything back in, and the 360 works perfectly. This is the only method that I've found which actually 100% works

Wilhelm_I · « **Reply #64 on:** July 04, 2008, 04:05:00 AM »

QUOTE(Squeakk @ Jul 4 2008, 09:32 AM)

Just plugged everything back in, and the 360 works perfectly. This is the only method that I've found which actually 100% works

Nice to hear that, I am gonna get Unreal Tournament on Monday as well, too bad it wasnt released here yet

josiah1992 · « **Reply #65 on:** July 04, 2008, 05:43:00 AM »

did this yesterday and it worked like a charm. thanks alot wilhelm.

RedFux · « **Reply #66 on:** July 04, 2008, 06:13:00 AM »

Wilhelm, Several months ago I have already use this method though I only using hair dryer (full speed for about 10-13min) Upperside (GPU & CPU chips) and downside of the mobo (ram chips). It works for about 1 week but then its RROD again. Do you still got an RROD after doing the heating?? If yes how many times?

Thanks anyway.

Wilhelm_I · « **Reply #67 on:** July 04, 2008, 07:45:00 AM »

QUOTE(RedFux @ Jul 4 2008, 02:49 PM)

Wilhelm, Several months ago I have already use this method though I only using hair dryer (full speed for about 10-13min) Upperside (GPU & CPU chips) and downside of the mobo (ram chips). It works for about 1 week but then its RROD again. Do you still got an RROD after doing the heating?? If yes how many times?

Thanks anyway.

So far none of the RODs returned and I fixed quite a couple like that already.
Just make sure that you dont tighten the screws too much and avoid bending the mainboard then it will most likely last forever...

A hairdryer cant fix it permanently as it only heats it up to 80-90°C, to reflow the solder you need >218°C.
You also have to watch the time with the heatgun, at first preheat it for 1 minute on the lowest step and then heatgun it for 4 minutes on the 2nd step not less and not longer since it will either not reflow properly or if you do it too long(>4 minutes) the isolation will start smoking.

@josiah1992:
Am glad it worked for you, congrats.

Squeakk · « **Reply #68 on:** July 04, 2008, 10:52:00 PM »

Unreal Tournament 3 didn't come out yet... but leaked few weeks ago.

Wilhelm_I · « **Reply #69 on:** July 05, 2008, 04:08:00 AM »

QUOTE(Squeakk @ Jul 5 2008, 07:28 AM)

Unreal Tournament 3 didn't come out yet... but leaked few weeks ago.

It is pretty stupid to admit playing a game that hasnt been released yet since you most likely didnt buy it and got it from somewhere else

This is piracy and wont be tolerated on xbox-scene so you might get your account banned

hueyduey02 · « **Reply #70 on:** July 05, 2008, 07:19:00 PM »

So my xbox that was crapping out every 3 minutes now runs like a champ after heatgunning it. Only time will tell how long it holds up.

Here's a few tips from my experience that might help out.

1. A wagner heatgun goes for about $25 at your local hardware store, and you'll find them in the paint section.

2. Anti-static bags work well as isolation against heat... The plastic only melted on the reverse side where the heat was applied, everywhere else the plastic was still intact, and didn't melt or shrink.

3. Electrical tape is your friend. Make sure to use it to mask off the isolation layer and the foil layer, and you can use it on top of the foil layer and it won't damage your board when it melts.

4. I didn't heatgun my board exactly how long to wilhelm's estimated time, and again only time will tell if my job holds up, but I noticed that a good guestimation of when you should stop, is when you start smelling the board start cooking, and when the electrical tape starts to melt a little. For me this happened around the 2 minute mark after the 1 minute warm up.

5. My heatgun was about 2 fists distance from the board itself while I was heating it.

6. Using a IR thermometer the board cooled off in a period of 10 minutes, I gave it an extra 10 to be safe before I handled the board and did the opposite side, then reassembled the xbox.

7. Tightening the heatsinks, you don't need that much pressure, use your fingertips on the screwdriver when tightening the screws and when the screwdriver wont turn anymore, you should be good. No need to torque the screws down, by holding the screwdriver in the palm of your hand.

Squeakk · « **Reply #71 on:** July 05, 2008, 09:07:00 PM »

QUOTE(hueyduey02 @ Jul 5 2008, 09:55 PM)

4. I didn't heatgun my board exactly how long to wilhelm's estimated time, and again only time will tell if my job holds up, but I noticed that a good guestimation of when you should stop, is when you start smelling the board start cooking, and when the electrical tape starts to melt a little. For me this happened around the 2 minute mark after the 1 minute warm up.

I only did about 2 minutes, but about 2 weeks later (yesterday) I got rrod again with same 0102 error. Yesterday I doubled my time heatgunned for about 1 minute on low, and 4 minutes on high. My 360 now works again, I hope that heat gunning it 2x as long it will last longer than 2 weeks. I also got my copper heatsinks which I put on 1 of the RAM (I have the newer heatsink so it covers the 3 RAMs), also put two on 2 other important chips.

Wilhelm_I · « **Reply #72 on:** July 06, 2008, 05:15:00 AM »

QUOTE(hueyduey02 @ Jul 6 2008, 03:55 AM)

So my xbox that was crapping out every 3 minutes now runs like a champ after heatgunning it. Only time will tell how long it holds up.

Here's a few tips from my experience that might help out.

4. I didn't heatgun my board exactly how long to wilhelm's estimated time, and again only time will tell if my job holds up, but I noticed that a good guestimation of when you should stop, is when you start smelling the board start cooking, and when the electrical tape starts to melt a little. For me this happened around the 2 minute mark after the 1 minute warm up.

5. My heatgun was about 2 fists distance from the board itself while I was heating it.

6. Using a IR thermometer the board cooled off in a period of 10 minutes, I gave it an extra 10 to be safe before I handled the board and did the opposite side, then reassembled the xbox.

7. Tightening the heatsinks, you don't need that much pressure, use your fingertips on the screwdriver when tightening the screws and when the screwdriver wont turn anymore, you should be good. No need to torque the screws down, by holding the screwdriver in the palm of your hand.

4. the board always starts smelling a bit like when it gets warm, a sign that the maximum time is reached is that something starts smoking, another good moment to stop is when you see that the solder gets a yellowish glance or the caps start shaking...
Your 2 minutes were most likely not enough to reflow the solder...

5. I always use my heatgun like 1-1.5 fists away like you can see on the picture but it wont make a big difference I think...

6. The fact that it cooled down within 10 minutes is another sign that it didnt get hot enough

7. Thats exactly the way you do it you do it snug so that the heatsinks dont move around but dont apply any more pressure than necessary because you dont want the board to start bending because this is what cause the solder balls to become loose/cold in the first place.

Squeakk · « **Reply #73 on:** July 07, 2008, 10:11:00 PM »

yay so I got my new HD 19 inch monitor, hooked up my 360 via hdmi to my hdmi monitor. Played for about an hour then it kept freezing. I would turn off then back on and it would freeze right as the 360 logo would appear. I then got RROD with 0022 error, I kept turning on and off but would freeze. Now im back to 0102 error.... I seriously hate this, I heat gunned the board like 3 days ago casue I got 0102, since then it has worked. But now im getting 0102. I really dont wanna freaking heatgun it every few days.... Any help?

Squeakk · « **Reply #74 on:** July 07, 2008, 10:33:00 PM »

edit:
I just realized the 2 times which I heatgunned, I never heatgunned the bottom of the motherboard, only the top for like 4 minutes, could that be why its RROD so quickly?

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