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[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(Vendeta @ Aug 21 2008, 08:41 AM)

I was getting 0102 and sometimes 1021. I would normally get RROS 5/10 times when turning the console on. I have get to get one now.

QUOTE(Zanzang @ Aug 25 2008, 11:31 PM)

I was getting 1RL + e74 (error code: 1022).

Heatgunning and then xclamping brought the box back to life.

Nice am glad it worked for you

QUOTE(Vendeta @ Aug 26 2008, 12:14 AM)

Well I got RROD again, due to my own stupid and not following x-clamp properly. So re doing BGA reflow tomorrow and games will be here and i can test properly!

Yep use proper screws and washers this time

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(Vendeta @ Aug 26 2008, 11:42 PM)

Well, I should get board back tomorrow. I got the propper screws and washers. I am just scared of using the card trick to this as reflow has been done and board wont be screwed to case again, thus no flex?

Not 100% sure how to redo x-clamp? with cards or normal with just screws on snug, not tight?

Just do my x-clamp replacement but be very careful with the pressure, only tighten the screws snug...

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(Vendeta @ Aug 27 2008, 05:57 PM)

So until the screws sit flush againt the motherboard, no tighter then that?

Ye like as soon as you feel a slight resistance you tighten it by another 1/16th of a turn, just a tiny bit.
Works always for me...
AM using spring washers though,..
Just figured an important issue about my x-clamp fix out though got the key why it doesnt work for a lot of people...

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(Vendeta @ Aug 28 2008, 11:08 PM)

Hey all,

Reflow worked. But now got RROD - 0110. Which is ram. So, fuck this peice of crap, it's going into the bin. New one will be here Teusday.

Thanks for all the help though guys!  

Hmm you are pretty unlucky with your systems mate
If you ever get back to it reflow the RAM

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(Vendeta @ Aug 29 2008, 06:27 PM)

Ja I know very unlucky.

I might send it in one more time. I don't know. We'll see.
Thanks.

I hope you are not talking about the one you were trying to fix because this would be warranty fraud, you better edit this post quickly...

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(Vendeta @ Aug 29 2008, 08:16 PM)

You're very quick to bring up that warranty fraud, eh?

If you look through my last few posts, you will find that I sent the motherboard in to get it reflowed. Now, look at the last post. Put two and two together and you will clearly see that I am indeed talking about sending the motherboard to get reflowed by Natcom electronic and not Microsoft.

Ah ye I should have known better, you told me on MSN, lol.
Just got so many people in my memory is difficult to remember every single one, sorry...

[Minker17]

It's probably in the past 20 pages somewhere, but Wilhelm, can you be a little specific on the areas in which I need to focus on when heatgunning. When I'm getting errors 0020 and 0021. Maybe a picture with circled areas which I need to really focus on?

[killamayne]

QUOTE(Minker17 @ Sep 4 2008, 07:39 AM)

It's probably in the past 20 pages somewhere, but Wilhelm, can you be a little specific on the areas in which I need to focus on when heatgunning. When I'm getting errors 0020 and 0021. Maybe a picture with circled areas which I need to really focus on?

20 is overheating. meaning your not gettin good contact with the heatsink. you have to solve that problem first. heatgunning it wont solve it.

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(Minker17 @ Sep 4 2008, 04:39 PM)

It's probably in the past 20 pages somewhere, but Wilhelm, can you be a little specific on the areas in which I need to focus on when heatgunning. When I'm getting errors 0020 and 0021. Maybe a picture with circled areas which I need to really focus on?

0020 IS NOT OVERHEATING!

http://xe.brothersof...code.php?s=0020
and
http://xe.brothersof...code.php?s=0021

For 0021 focus on SOuthbridge -> SIlver chip with 360 logo near the network port and the SATA connector.
ANd for 0020 focus on the CPU/GPU/RAM area.
Basically reflow everything!!!

[haris2887]

HI,
first of all gr8 tutorial...
here is my story..
i did the xclamp replacement and was getting 0102 RROD. i tried adjusting the tension of the screws for about 30min but still no go it would keep freezing...
so i decided to do this tutorial i concentrated on the GPU and Ram and underside of the cPU

 but not the top side of the CPU as i was fairly confident the problem was either GPU or MEMORY area...
also because i was not going to do the top side of the CPU Isolating it was soooo easy all i have to o i get foil and cover half the motherboard did not have to worry about molding foil around caps which takes a lot of time ect...

Put is back together and WORKED...
so far it is running great it does not freeze where it use to (level 1 on tiger woods very GPU intensive)i played up to level 18 then i had to go to bed and still going strong will keep you updated on how long it lasts......
I am thinking of making heat gunning a part of MY regular x-clamp replacement procedure, Do it one do it right , it might take a bit longer but nothing compared to re dissembling xbox after x-clamps fail in a week or when a customer comes back with the same problem and i have to fix again etc.... etc...

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(haris2887 @ Sep 5 2008, 05:58 PM)

HI,
first of all gr8 tutorial...
here is my story..
i did the xclamp replacement and was getting 0102 RROD. i tried adjusting the tension of the screws for about 30min but still no go it would keep freezing...
so i decided to do this tutorial i concentrated on the GPU and Ram and underside of the cPU

 but not the top side of the CPU as i was fairly confident the problem was either GPU or MEMORY area...
also because i was not going to do the top side of the CPU Isolating it was soooo easy all i have to o i get foil and cover half the motherboard did not have to worry about molding foil around caps which takes a lot of time ect...

Put is back together and WORKED...
so far it is running great it does not freeze where it use to (level 1 on tiger woods very GPU intensive)i played up to level 18 then i had to go to bed and still going strong will keep you updated on how long it lasts......
I am thinking of making heat gunning a part of MY regular x-clamp replacement procedure, Do it one do it right , it might take a bit longer but nothing compared to re dissembling xbox after x-clamps fail in a week or when a customer comes back with the same problem and i have to fix again etc.... etc...

Ye
I use it almost every time as well.
You should include the CPU as well though because 0102 can also be CPU related.
I always do a complete reflow, I insolate everything except the main chips and reflow them all to prevent any future issues with other components.
We also figured something out that is really interesting and this will be the key reason why all fixes that you can find will not be permanent not even reballing or anything.
This discovery will be regarded in Hybrid and released with it so you will have to be a bit more patient, we are working hard on it...

Wilhelm

[rrg]

Launch box. Yes, I did the memory and GPU bottom after one unsuccessfull try on top on the GPU and CPU with no heatsinks.


Seems to be holding and running for a week so far.

Thanks.

[Gnagus]

Hey heatgun lovers!

I'm about to do the reflow trick to fix a 0102 error. Since it's the only Xbox 360 I have, I only get once chance and i want to be extremely cautious!

I'd enjoy your opinion on the following safety "improvements" for Wilhelm's heatgun method :

1 - to give additionnal protection, i plan on covering the caps with blue adhesive putty....


The material is fairly dense, sticks well to anything, and seems quite resilient to heat...seems to me like it would be the ideal insulation.

To experiment this, I tried heatgunning intensively an old mobo using the method (thick plastic + foil), concentrating the heat near two specific caps; One cap was covered with blue adhesive putty, the rest were not.

To see if my heatgun was delivering enough heat to reflow, i purposedly bumped a chip; Hot enough!


It seemed like it worked well; The unprotected cap blew up, while the other did not. (I must admit that the smaller caps were not covered with putty and did not blow up; Don't know if they are more resilient...




2 - Many people mentionned that the foil and aluminum does not hold well on the board; I plan on using some bolts and nuts to pin down the foil to the board; that should make the whole thing more stable (and allow less air underneath...)



Anyhow, those are a few ideas I plan on using in the following days; I'll report my results here, but in the meantime any feedback would be appreciated!

Thanks!

Gnagus

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(dizzy1963 @ Sep 18 2008, 12:16 AM)

Been having a saga with my sons xbox, went 2 lights so did the xclamp, then the penny trick but still went 2 red lights within 5 minutes, found the error code 0013 so reflowed the board using this method.

 Blew the capacitor next to the ram chips but it still boots up and has been running for the last 2 hours so hopefully happy days.

 Thanks for the great tutorial and it all seems to have worked here.

 Thanks

Damn sounds like a miracle it is working at all lol.
Was it one of the yellow caps?

QUOTE(Gnagus @ Sep 18 2008, 06:34 AM)

Hey heatgun lovers!

I'm about to do the reflow trick to fix a 0102 error. Since it's the only Xbox 360 I have, I only get once chance and i want to be extremely cautious!

I'd enjoy your opinion on the following safety "improvements" for Wilhelm's heatgun method :

1 - to give additionnal protection, i plan on covering the caps with blue adhesive putty....


The material is fairly dense, sticks well to anything, and seems quite resilient to heat...seems to me like it would be the ideal insulation.

To experiment this, I tried heatgunning intensively an old mobo using the method (thick plastic + foil), concentrating the heat near two specific caps; One cap was covered with blue adhesive putty, the rest were not.

To see if my heatgun was delivering enough heat to reflow, i purposedly bumped a chip; Hot enough!


It seemed like it worked well; The unprotected cap blew up, while the other did not. (I must admit that the smaller caps were not covered with putty and did not blow up; Don't know if they are more resilient...


2 - Many people mentionned that the foil and aluminum does not hold well on the board; I plan on using some bolts and nuts to pin down the foil to the board; that should make the whole thing more stable (and allow less air underneath...)



Anyhow, those are a few ideas I plan on using in the following days; I'll report my results here, but in the meantime any feedback would be appreciated!

Thanks!

Gnagus

Sounds good, I would recommend fastening the foils in the screw holes though because the plastic will too easily start smoking under the direct heat...

This stuff you have been using sounds nice if it works out properly I will update the guide and add it as a material, sound like it is easier to fasten it as well...
Where can you buy that like?

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(Gnagus @ Sep 18 2008, 10:31 PM)

That blue stuff is used to pin posters to wall, here in canada you can find it at any office supplies stores (Staples for example). Many brands have a similar product.

It's pretty sticky (kinda like Play-Doh but a less manageable) so it's easy to seal the caps so that no hot air will reach them. And from my previous test it does seem melt a bit but not too much under heat, so it seems like an ideal insulation to me. (At least that's the first stuff that came to my mind hehehe)

I might do another heat test to see how the putty reacts and make pictures of it for the benefit of this forum.

I'll take a few pictures of my setup (after applying the putty, after pinning the aluminum down with bolts and nuts) and keep you guys posted on the results. Should be tonight or this weekend!

Cheers!

Have never seen that stuff really, here we use poster strips or just tape to fasten posters
Sounds and looks like some sort of playdoh though, maybe I can find what you mean.
Are there maybe like the exact ingredients on the box or so, then I can search for it on Google maybe?
I will check at an office store and ask them if they have heard of that though, guess I will just get some confused looks in return