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[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 19 2008, 07:43 PM)

OK well I tried to heatgun my board, but with not too good results. I kept the CPU heatsink on because I had just used the X clamps on it and I didn't want to have to take off the X clamp and put it back on. I tried to insulate everything with freezer paper and aluminum foil, aluminum foil against the mobo, freezer paper, then more aluminum foil. These are my results.

Bubbly GPU, not too noticeable in the picture, but a little more noticeable in real life.




So I am heatgunning, and I hear a big crack and some big smoke comes up, so that was my cue to stop. This is what happened.







O jeez...well I got to go get some capacitors.

God damn dude!!!
For how long did you heatgun it?
This looks like you burned it with a flamethrower or something
You are always supposed to remove all heatsinks otherwise it will completely fuck up the chip and flatten the solder balls ...
Your GPU doesnt look healthy either, if it has got little bubbles it pretty much wont be worth replacing the caps because it is fucked up.
The isolation doesnt seem to have worked or you didnt cover it properly, so for the future get this plastic foil!
Thanks god the isolation protected you from the cap that blew up this could have blinded you...

If you need these capacitors though and if this is a Xenon mainboard I could desolder them from one of my spare ones and ship them to you send me a PM if you are interested

[HackerSupreme]

Not that long, I was heatgunning for under 5 minutes I think...

It is a zephyr board, not a xenon, but I Don't think it will matter. Ya I'll send you a PM. And the CPU is fine, I looked under there and it seems as though the solder balls are fine. I just looked under the heatsink wtihout taking it off, the solder balls on one side were intact, that means that even if the ones one the other side flowed, they wouldn't have smashed.

[somacast]

with my complete respect to this tutorial , things rnt as easy as it looks like ...

first of all , regarding the capacitors , a couple of layers of heat resistance tape with the aluminum foil will do good or as mentioned in the tutorial .. but this isnt the main thing

any small dirt hidden under the ram chips mainly ( i mean with dirts thing like the sticky substance used under the lower rams) r gonna expand and left the ram and screw up the half-dead xbox of urs,,

i had this problem and now my xbox is one ram less , lolz     .. iam trying to figure out a way to fix it back using the same damn heat gun...

well after several consoles between heat gunning and x-clamp i would say is buying another console is always better mainly for the time waste ( thats my opinion , no need to kill me ppl who disagree

good luck for everyone ..

[HeLLSaTaN]

HackerSupreme looks like you were trying to make toast there. Everything on that board looks golden brown. Maybe a little less heat and more faster circles little further away would do the trick

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(somacast @ Jul 20 2008, 04:29 AM)

with my complete respect to this tutorial , things rnt as easy as it looks like ...

first of all , regarding the capacitors , a couple of layers of heat resistance tape with the aluminum foil will do good or as mentioned in the tutorial .. but this isnt the main thing

any small dirt hidden under the ram chips mainly ( i mean with dirts thing like the sticky substance used under the lower rams) r gonna expand and left the ram and screw up the half-dead xbox of urs,,

i had this problem and now my xbox is one ram less , lolz     .. iam trying to figure out a way to fix it back using the same damn heat gun...

well after several consoles between heat gunning and x-clamp i would say is buying another console is always better mainly for the time waste ( thats my opinion , no need to kill me ppl who disagree

good luck for everyone ..

Dont really know what you mean by small dirt but the bottom RAM never fell off for me...
There is pretty much no way to repair this besides reballing the RAM brick, this happened to me once as well but for the top ram, the aluminum foil lifted one of the RAM bricks up...

The board I am using for spare parts is a Xenon but it should work though since the capacitors got the same specifications(16v 100uF)
Just looked at the pictures again and figured out that you got a Xenon as well and not a Zephyr because you still got the old ANA chip...

[HackerSupreme]

QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Jul 20 2008, 08:18 AM)

Dont really know what you mean by small dirt but the bottom RAM never fell off for me...
There is pretty much no way to repair this besides reballing the RAM brick, this happened to me once as well but for the top ram, the aluminum foil lifted one of the RAM bricks up...

The board I am using for spare parts is a Xenon but it should work though since the capacitors got the same specifications(16v 100uF)
Just looked at the pictures again and figured out that you got a Xenon as well and not a Zephyr because you still got the old ANA chip...

It is a Zephyr. It has the metal capacitors in front of the GPU instead of the yellow ones that Xenons have. The Falcon consoles have the new ANA chip.

[KrInEn]

Well I'm back to 0102 again. I have focused on the ram GPU and CPU. Could the board be just shot? My buddy said his bro did the towel trick on the box a bunch and I shuddered at the sound of that lol.

[haigha]

QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ May 24 2008, 01:03 PM)

Well what you need:
...
- Some thick plastic foil(like on the picture, the thicker the better)

EW_I:

First, thanks for the guide  

Second, what do you think of using a cut out silicone baking sheet instead of the thick plastic.  This particular one is supposed to be safe to 560 F and re-usable for $10:

http://www.amazon.co...g/dp/B00005AXJ9

Taping it to the board and then applying the foil... or do you think the foil would even be necessary with this thick an insulator?

I'm thinking about this heat gun, has a lot of features over the Wagner in the other thread for an extra $10:

http://www.amazon.co...il/-/B000095SHQ

[DarkSabre_X]

well i re did the heatgun and it melted my controller sync button and a cap did swell a lil. now all it gives me is 0001. would the melted button be shorting the power? can i just completely de solder it? or could it be that cap. now i'm just doing this for fun considering i will definitely have to buy another one. does anyone know the pinout for that sync button.  maybe i can find a makeshift replacement at radioshack or something

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 20 2008, 08:43 PM)

It is a Zephyr. It has the metal capacitors in front of the GPU instead of the yellow ones that Xenons have. The Falcon consoles have the new ANA chip.

It is definitely a Xenon, the late ones had the metal capacitors as well...
Zephyrs have got a different mainboard layout and the HANA chip + an HDMI port.
If it was a Zephyr one you would also have the upgraded GPU heatsink.

@Krlnen:
For how long did you heatgun it?

@haigha:
The foil doesnt look that thick by what I can see on the pictures.
It might be a good isolator but I doubt it, it will most likely just be some high temperature silicon that can take the heat without melting...
First look for it in a local hardware store like bosnia suggested or if you ever bought an XCM case take the foil from that(this is what I used)
The heatgun looks good but 35$ sounds a bit expensive, the reason for this will most likely be the bunch of adapters that are included in the package so if you want to save some money look for one without them...

@DarkSabre_X:
There was a topic about this recently in one of the hardware forums(someone wanted to desolder it) so search for that...

[KrInEn]

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@Krlnen:
For how long did you heatgun it?

1 min warm up all times tthen 3 mins full heat the first time. then 4 mins full heat the second

[HackerSupreme]

QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Jul 21 2008, 06:13 AM)

It is definitely a Xenon, the late ones had the metal capacitors as well...
Zephyrs have got a different mainboard layout and the HANA chip + an HDMI port.
If it was a Zephyr one you would also have the upgraded GPU heatsink.

Ya I guess you are right then.

[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(KrInEn @ Jul 21 2008, 10:08 PM)

1 min warm up all times tthen 3 mins full heat the first time. then 4 mins full heat the second

Looks like the towel trick has flattened out some solder balls really bad then so that even reflowing doesnt bring them back in touch with the GPU
Reballing it will most likely be your only option

Just out of curiosity, did you do the bottom and then the top and both 1 minute preheat+4 minutes heatgunning?
If you didnt do the bottom it might be one of the bottom RAM that causes the 0102 if not there is really no hope besides a reball, sorry mate  

[RYU81]

what the alternative for foil ?I don't have same as you used it.

[HackerSupreme]

QUOTE(DarkSabre_X @ Jul 21 2008, 12:16 AM)

well i re did the heatgun and it melted my controller sync button and a cap did swell a lil. now all it gives me is 0001. would the melted button be shorting the power? can i just completely de solder it? or could it be that cap. now i'm just doing this for fun considering i will definitely have to buy another one. does anyone know the pinout for that sync button.  maybe i can find a makeshift replacement at radioshack or something

The swelled cap is your 0001 problem.