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Kushan

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« on: October 29, 2012, 05:19:00 PM »

Maybe I'm being INCREDIBLY naive on this one, but can someone explain to me why I should be excited about this? Ok if you're on hitachi for example, it's good news for you but aside from that, is it a big deal?
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Bradley687

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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2012, 06:08:00 PM »

Wow dude thats ungrateful comment to say....

Great news for all those drives LT will now support. I'm still using my Jasper from 2008 but should I need a newer xbox to get hacked/modified, I don't have to worry, cause its covered.

Great news overall!!!!
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2012, 06:17:00 PM »

Fantastic news for those who have been patiently waiting, well worth the wait.
Just one thing those of us who changed the PSB to the team xcuter version when it was released i take it we will now be buying a new board to flash future updates as it does state this new LTU is specifically for use with the new Slim DVD PCB or will the team release two versions of future firmwares non LTU and LTU?
     Other question is now availablity and price of this new wonder board?

Great new and many many thanks for all the hard work

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vb_encryption_vb

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2012, 06:42:00 PM »

QUOTE(coolstuff_herm @ Oct 29 2012, 08:17 PM) View Post

Fantastic news for those who have been patiently waiting, well worth the wait.
Just one thing those of us who changed the PSB to the team xcuter version when it was released i take it we will now be buying a new board to flash future updates as it does state this new LTU is specifically for use with the new Slim DVD PCB or will the team release two versions of future firmwares non LTU and LTU?
     Other question is now availablity and price of this new wonder board?

Great new and many many thanks for all the hard work

Too much and as always, will be over priced. I'll wait on another free solution wink.gif
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2012, 12:17:00 AM »

QUOTE(coolstuff_herm @ Oct 29 2012, 07:17 PM) View Post

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Just one thing those of us who changed the PSB to the team xcuter version when it was released i take it we will now be buying a new board to flash future updates as it does state this new LTU is specifically for use with the new Slim DVD PCB...


y upgrade that which is not "broken"?
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 05:56:00 AM »

so it looks like LT ultimate will only be available with this PCB.
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 07:01:00 AM »

QUOTE(Xbox-Scene @ Oct 29 2012, 11:00 PM) View Post
they are working on a new DVD Drive PCB and a DVD Firmware called "LT Ultimate". This new PCB and FW will be compatible with all current Xbox Drives and will only require the DVD Key (no need for a FW dump).


My 2 cents....

From the clues provided, I suspect this is a universal interface board.

In a stock XBOX360, the console’s OS knows what ODD (Optical Disk Drive) is installed in that XBOX (its serial num (DVD key), and possibly its manufacturer).  When the XBOX wants to boot a DVD, it communicates with the ODD using a protocol, sending it commands to read specific disk sectors, but it also sends it commands to instruct the ODD firmware to verify specific security characteristics that should be present on the original DVD media and feedback.

To guard against interception, these ODD protocol commands are encrypted using the drive’s unique DVD Key.  The stock XBOX OS knows the DVD Key of the installed ODD, thus can use it to encrypt the ODD protocol commands, and the ODD knows it’s own DVD Key, thus can use it to decrypt the ODD protocol commands, action them, and encrypt responses.  This is why you are not able to swap ODD drives between stock XBOX360s, and why it is necessary to extract the ODD’s specific DVD-key.

The current manufacturer and drive-specific ODD firmware hacks require someone (c4eva mainly it seems), to patch each manufacturer and drive-specific ODD firmware; to preserve the majority of the ODD drive firmware functionality (used to control the drive spin speed, position the read head, etc.), but to override the commands used to verify the specific security characteristics, and adjust these to always respond as if all is well - even if the security characteristics are not found on the inserted DVD media.  XBOX ODD manufacturers do their upmost to guard against this, such as by encrypting the ODD firmware, preventing it being replaced/re-flashed, etc.  All of which needs to be overcome to produce a hacked ODD firmware.

Once it became possible to extract an ODD’s specific DVD Key, this opened up the possibility of intercepting, decrypting, and interpreting the commands passing between the XBOX and the stock ODD.  With this ability, why not let all the encrypted ODD commands pass thru from the XBOX to the ODD, BUT intercept, decrypt, and spot any reports of security characteristic failures in the responses from the ODD, and substitute these with a synthesized “All good” response, correctly encrypted.

This totally removes the requirement and effort needed to crack the firmware of each new ODD being used in the XBOX manufacture.

It is possible that ODD firmware can be updated/re-flashed by the console.  This has happened in the past when new checks for new security characteristics have been introduced.  As this re-flashing is achieved using specific ODD protocol commands, the interface board could decide to simply block this from occurring, but then your ODD would not be able to respond to the new security characteristics being used on newer original media.  Better let the stock ODD firmware get updated (this way any new original DVD media would work right away).  The firmware on the interface board would then be updated to spot the new style security characteristic failure responses, and to use new synthesized “All good” responses to these.

ONLY the ONE firmware in the interface board would need to be maintained and updated, irrespective of the wide variety of ODD manufacturers and ODD drive model firmwares out there.

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If I recall correctly, one of the initial ODD drives used in the XBOX 360 manufacture did not have re-flashable firmware.  (This was replaced with alternative ODD models that did in order to permit new security checks to be introduced.). As this model was unable to be updated to support newer security checks, the XBOX OS does not expect it to.  If the XBOX OS simply knows the DVD-key, and determines the ODD type by using a protocol command to interrogate the ODD as to its model (and/or capabilities), the interface board may wish to always respond to the console claiming to be this drive/model.  This would prevent the console from ever attempting to re-flash it, and the list of security responses is a known, finite, set.

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QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Oct 30 2012, 02:01 PM) View Post
PS:
If I recall correctly, one of the initial ODD drives used in the XBOX 360 manufacture did not have re-flashable firmware.
QUOTE(Defosho @ Mar 2 2011, 01:04 AM) View Post
The AP25 FAQ by Defosho
Which DVD drives support and use AP25?
All drives except for:
Samsung - all
Hitachi - v59 and lower

Maybe an interface board that presents any new model stock ODD as a old hacked Samsung ODD to the console.  cool.gif
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SoulInDeed

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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2012, 12:26:00 PM »

OK, I know I'm an idiot, but if we have an old phat console that's already running LT 3.0+, do we need LTU? Also, if we do, do we have to get our games reburned?
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2012, 07:07:00 PM »

QUOTE(SoulInDeed @ Oct 31 2012, 02:26 PM) View Post

OK, I know I'm an idiot, but if we have an old phat console that's already running LT 3.0+, do we need LTU? Also, if we do, do we have to get our games reburned?


Last I heard everything was fine with LT+3.0 and no new checks have been introduced. Thus we should be fine on our old phat console.

This hack's target audience is people with slim consoles.

That being said, this is amazing stuff here. c4e never fails to amaze me.
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2012, 01:00:00 AM »

That's great news! an ODDemu on a drive PCB (can we use cheapo IHAS?, I dont see why nots lulz)

BUT: where is the 1175 key dump solution for USB pro 2 we were promised????? Do we have to wait until TX manufactures these PCBs (by which time, the 720 will be out anyways)??

Embedded VM is the future, no doubt (I called it years ago) however, we know what this will mean for the next gen.... I find it hard to believe they couldn't find other/better ways to do it without dropping this bomb early! I get that it's very time-consuming/expensive to find the sploits, and it's easier for them to do the hard-stuff for everyone else etc.. but surely it could have waited 3 months, & given us their current solutions (the newest drives can wait!!) Anyhoo.. I guess the horse has bolted now  sad.gif  we still need some decent key extraction methods for the 1175!
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2012, 05:20:00 AM »

QUOTE(vb_encryption_vb @ Oct 29 2012, 05:42 PM) View Post

Too much and as always, will be over priced. I'll wait on another free solution wink.gif



I'm not trying to come off as an a55 here as you are a valued member here on x-scene. so I hope I can word this correctly. But it's the hard work of people like c4eva and the members of Team-Xecuter that allow others to "steal" and make cheaper and free alternatives to their hack. So remember someone has to do the hacking that will let you sell your modding services for a profit.
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2012, 09:47:00 AM »

QUOTE(40_ounce @ Nov 3 2012, 07:20 AM) View Post

I'm not trying to come off as an a55 here as you are a valued member here on x-scene. so I hope I can word this correctly. But it's the hard work of people like c4eva and the members of Team-Xecuter that allow others to "steal" and make cheaper and free alternatives to their hack. So remember someone has to do the hacking that will let you sell your modding services for a profit.



When they over price the boards I have a  hard time selling my service and I'm sure every other modder has the same issue, the last thing they wanna hear is it's going to be 60 right up front, then an additional 25 for the install.  That and I'm not gonna order a bulk supply of boards knowing I'll be sitting on them for some time because they simply won't sell to the average person that uses my service around town. If the board was 20, then yeah I'd be able to sell it.
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2012, 02:06:00 PM »

QUOTE(silentbomber @ Nov 3 2012, 09:28 PM) View Post

With RGH also needed, more work for the modder less profit, however, we have to notice the time and cost that has gone into this method, and for now its the best we have. Live with it. If you dont like it, dont use it


You just incorporate the price of the chip or PCB into your mod price and say that part of your price covers the part which is $xx dollars and then explain to them that the only way to do it is with this part and proper equipment and knowledge, if they don't want to pay for the part thats the only way to mod their system, then they will just have to stay stock.
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