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[Bad_Ad]

QUOTE(pif001 @ Oct 13 2011, 02:17 PM)

2 years?!! Then kindly STFU pls...

Considering liteon are still pumping out the exact same drives - no.

QUOTE(megaman007 @ Oct 13 2011, 02:19 PM)

ooohhhh...........sooorrrrrrrryyyyyyy

Get over yourself.

I have facts, you have assumptions you are passing off as correct.

Who needs to get over themselves again?

I put a lot of research into this and kindly giving the results freely. The response here just shows why people with half a clue dont post here. But you have not been around long enough to know what this place used to be like.

[dangerouseddy]

optiarcs are made by nec and rebadged by sony.  they do write a greater number of dual layer discs better than liteons but many drives burn verbatims well anyway.

theres not that many new dual layer dvd writers being released,  havent seen any new models for a while.

[sittingduck77]

dangerouseddy and bad_ad are spot on and shouldn't be slammed for actually knowing something. If C4 is working on a LiteOn firmware, that's fine. We'll all buyt it and be happy about it and if it's good enough for C4, it's good enough for all of us. But Optiarcs have a track record that's in the Pioneer class. Yes, some were rebadged LiteOns which is why you if you read tesst on cdfreaks, you would know which ones were true Optiarcs with NEC chips inside. If LiteOn improved DL writing over the last couple of years, that's great - be happy about it. Nobody is slamming LiteOn - just providing experiences.

[Hucklebuck1]

"There are LOTS of this particular drive available and the RRP is less than $25 USD."   Give it a few days and there will be no drives available from retailers.  They will be on Ebay and other sites for close to double the price.  That really bothers me.  C4E should only release it one or two drives at a time to prevent this type of price gouging.  

I would get one but refuse to pay a rediculous price for one.  If I had to I would buy a ODDE.

Who knows,  this may be a new thing and more drives will  have a hacked firmware allowing more to be written to disc.  Would be usefull for more than just 360 games  

[lrod2344]

I think the TSSCORP Drives are a very good drive.... They are plentiful especially if you have an HP or Dell PC or laptop Ive used these burners exclusively for many years and they have never failed me.. they are cheap and have about 6 or so different models however as I understand the firmwares are somewhat interchangeable ..... they are also made by Samsung/TSSCORP so I would THINK would be a good choice.... anyway Im just reaching and hoping here since I have access to hundreds and hundreds of these drives here at work (selfish) but if I have to buy I have to buy..... I'll probably buy at LEAST 2 since its always good to have a spare on hand. Its gonna be a mad dash to the retailers once the make/model is released.

Oh yeah and C4E ..... you are a mad Genius..... good work... GREAT work.....

I agree that price gouging will certainly be a problem.... but listen if I have to pay 50...60...70 bucks for a 25 Dollar drive then I have to pay it plus the added cost of Verbatims (shit I just bought 100 TDKs).... its either THAT or either NOT play any XGD3 backups or BUY the title OR buy a properly burned backup from some schmuck who was smart enough to get the burner and is now making his money back selling backups for 15 or 20 bucks. Do the math and the cost savings will be significant.

[TonyRage]

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the new XGD3 format has a larger capacity than a standard DVD+R DL disc so it has become virtually impossible to make a 100% backup of the disc.

Yes, so XGD3 is a larger capacity than a standard DVD+R DL....

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the iXtreme DVD Burner FW which now increases the capacity of a standard dual layer DVD+R DL to a FULL 8.7GB !

Yet, firmware claims to increase the physical capacity of a standard DVD+R DL disc? Am I the only one who considers this a strange and contradicting statement?

If the limitation is physical, this makes absolutely no sense.

[lrod2344]

Verbatims stock is about to fly through the roof.

[raff5]

i was also wondering about the increase in capacity, maybe its that the tracks are written closer together in c4eva's firmware, therefore allowing more data on the burnable surface.

huge thanks to C4EVA, just gotta wait and find out the models, soi can join the queue that will appear wherever they are being sold

 

[Meccs]

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The most common 12 cm DVD-R disc has 2,298,496 sectors, 2048 bytes each; it holds 2,298,496*2048=4,707,319,808 bytes, or 2,298,496*2=4,596,992 KB, or 2,298,496/512=4489.25 MB, or 2,298,496/(512*1024)=4.38 GB of data.

The Plextor 716 for example can overburn normal DVD+R from this normal 4489.25 MB to ~4612MB. So it is possible. To overburn data is also written to the Lead-out Zone, which is a reserved area on the disk btw.

[TonyRage]

QUOTE(Meccs @ Oct 13 2011, 04:05 PM)

The Plextor 716 for example can overburn normal DVD+R from this normal 4489.25 MB to ~4612MB. So it is possible.

If it was as simple as overburning, it'd already have been in use and truncating would not have been necessary. You also wouldn't need a specific brand of drive as the original article suggests.

BTW, for the Plextor drive you mention, taken from MyCE: "The marketing babble on Plextools Pro XL reads among other "Overburning is supported on CD-R and also on DVD+R on some drives."". Notice they don't mention dual layer.

[Meccs]

QUOTE(TonyRage @ Oct 13 2011, 05:08 PM)

If it was as simple as overburning, it'd already have been in use and truncating would not have been necessary. You also wouldn't need a specific brand of drive as the original article suggests.

You have to write data to the Lead-out Zone, which is a reserved area on the disk. The problem is, not every burner does this without problems. The disc has to pass the online checks too. So that's why it's not that easy.

[TonyRage]

If it's an overburn it's going to be unreliable as hell, because media plays a big factor on the success of overburning. Verbatim are very hit and miss in that you have to get the right batch from the right country, etc.

If the new solution is simply modded firmware to allow over-burning, I'd say this is a piss poor solution at best to be honest.

[Omikron199]

There is no way to burn tracks closer to each other, tracks have identical interval between them. It is made for laser, they are minimal so the laser can focus and read/write and jump from track to track right.




This is what burnt tracks look like under electron microscopy (tracks with holes = burnt tracks)

I think the firmware makes dvd burner "understand and see" the full overburn area
Because dvd burners can see only a part of it right now. And Verbatims have very big burning area (almost to the edge of disc)

[Its_me_again]

QUOTE(Bad_Ad @ Oct 13 2011, 12:26 PM)

Could be sony. The sony optiarc drives do the best burns on DL verbs. Better than all 3 of my pioneers (112, 215, 216).

Yes, I am one of those people from cdfreaks that does scans of media - so I know its the best of the 4.

Pioneer is better for all other media tho. (and is still fanastic for the verbs, the optiarc is just better)

Liteon's are pretty shit writers - but they are amazing readers. (I have one of those too, just for doing the scans)

Finally, a post with some good arguments and a very plausible guess. I made the exact same guess and I indeed have had almost the exact same experiences too.

Before I read up on burn quality (quite some years back) I bought a Lite-On burner (which later luckily came in handy to make scans) and the burns from that piece of shit were so bad that the most picky Xbox 360 drives wouldn't even read Verbatims burned with that drive. Back then I still used a Pioneer (DVR-216BK if I'm not mistaken) and Verbatim burns from that one worked perfectly on every single Xbox 360.

Later I replaced my Pioneer with a Sony Optiarc / NEC AD-7240S, I'm still using that one and very pleased with it too, all burns still work perfectly and I've never had a burn fail.

I'm not really sure what the results on CDfreaks were anymore but I believed either Pioneer or NEC was superior in DL burns and the other one was a very close second (on DL burns) but had better overall results. So my guess was that one of these would be the one that C4Eva is making firmware for. But I also read in this thread that Pioneer no longer makes optical burners and in my country they are indeed very hard to find (as opposed to NEC burners). Therefore my educated guess is that C4Eva is working on Sony Optiarc / NEC AD-7260S firmware. That one is very cheap and widely available and in stock everywhere.  Also that drive has a couple variants, like the AD-7261S and the AD-7263S which fits with the story (that there are different versions of the model).

[FrankDux]

QUOTE(Nillaz @ Oct 13 2011, 06:29 AM)

I'm thinking the same.

The drive will probably be a LG GH22  or GH24