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[ProphetOfPain]

QUOTE(Darkflame @ Oct 13 2011, 07:47 PM)

TX if you ever get a chance to read this, I think you should get in touch with C4 and see if he can develop a firmware that would start burning 1:1 copies of the software. I mean playable on a legit unmodded box.

C4 definitely knows his $&*! on the dvd firmware side. I'm surprised TX hasn't just released a drive for like 500$ that burned 1:1 copies of xbox/ps2 etc.

The reason all of our drives can't do it now is not hadware limitations, its software limitations, they all abide by the colored book standards. Seeing that C4 knows how how to manipulate these drives in such a way to make them bend to his will, I definitely see MS crying foul when C4 says Introduce the Do-it-all drive. No more mods, no more hassles. Backup and burn bit-to-bit blind copies of anything. Throw in a dvd with aacs, get a dvd with aacs, throw in a ps2 disc, get a ps2 disc. Throw in a disc with some funkified copy protection, get a disc with funkified copy protection.

cool story bro

If he does this, I think his next burner firmware should at least cure cancer.   I'm thinking you could burn a one to one now if you had a couple hundred grand worth of equipment..

[xD34DL1N3Rx]

QUOTE(Bad_Ad @ Oct 13 2011, 06:26 AM)

Could be sony. The sony optiarc drives do the best burns on DL verbs. Better than all 3 of my pioneers (112, 215, 216).

Yes, I am one of those people from cdfreaks that does scans of media - so I know its the best of the 4.

Pioneer is better for all other media tho. (and is still fanastic for the verbs, the optiarc is just better)

Liteon's are pretty shit writers - but they are amazing readers. (I have one of those too, just for doing the scans)

QUOTE(sittingduck77 @ Oct 13 2011, 06:45 AM)

Ah, so you're one of the reasons I have a 100% track record when it comes to burning DL discs on my Optiarc 7200S. Thanks for being a cdfreak    My old LiteOn drives weren't half as good at writing DL backups, so I agree with you completely.

You guys must be on a different cdfreaks than myself, because the Lite-On iHAS series has some pretty great reviews there. My burns with an iHAS324 on DL Verbs have been near flawless when checking via Opti Drive Control. And that's without cfw or flashed to a higher model. Not saying that your Sony's are bad at all, just that the Lite-On's aren't the crap you're making them out to be.

[Weirdjerz3y]

QUOTE(Darkflame @ Oct 13 2011, 01:47 PM)

TX if you ever get a chance to read this, I think you should get in touch with C4 and see if he can develop a firmware that would start burning 1:1 copies of the software. I mean playable on a legit unmodded box.

C4 definitely knows his $&*! on the dvd firmware side. I'm surprised TX hasn't just released a drive for like 500$ that burned 1:1 copies of xbox/ps2 etc.

The reason all of our drives can't do it now is not hadware limitations, its software limitations, they all abide by the colored book standards. Seeing that C4 knows how how to manipulate these drives in such a way to make them bend to his will, I definitely see MS crying foul when C4 says Introduce the Do-it-all drive. No more mods, no more hassles. Backup and burn bit-to-bit blind copies of anything. Throw in a dvd with aacs, get a dvd with aacs, throw in a ps2 disc, get a ps2 disc. Throw in a disc with some funkified copy protection, get a disc with funkified copy protection.

 To do what you just said, you need a pressing machine. Which are used in factories and extremely expensive. While that will be great, just paying who knows, like $20000-or even more, maybe even $100thousands for a pressing machine, isnt worth it.

[blastagator]

QUOTE(Darkflame @ Oct 13 2011, 02:47 PM)

TX if you ever get a chance to read this, I think you should get in touch with C4 and see if he can develop a firmware that would start burning 1:1 copies of the software. I mean playable on a legit unmodded box.

C4 definitely knows his $&*! on the dvd firmware side. I'm surprised TX hasn't just released a drive for like 500$ that burned 1:1 copies of xbox/ps2 etc.

The reason all of our drives can't do it now is not hadware limitations, its software limitations, they all abide by the colored book standards. Seeing that C4 knows how how to manipulate these drives in such a way to make them bend to his will, I definitely see MS crying foul when C4 says Introduce the Do-it-all drive. No more mods, no more hassles. Backup and burn bit-to-bit blind copies of anything. Throw in a dvd with aacs, get a dvd with aacs, throw in a ps2 disc, get a ps2 disc. Throw in a disc with some funkified copy protection, get a disc with funkified copy protection.

You clearly have no idea how copy protection works, nor do you realize that retail disc manufacturers do not 'burn' retail discs.

QUOTE(Darkflame @ Oct 13 2011, 02:59 PM)

In the end it's all bits of data.

No, copy protection isn't.  The drive makes physical measurements of the disc, it doesn't just read data placed on the disc.  The modded firmware reads a table of copy info present only on backups.  The mod FW replies with the appropriate measurement located in the table (Based on a retail rip) rather than actually conducting the measurement.  Thus the original FW is not just blindly reading bits of data.

[Neptune]

What he says IS POSSIBLE for PS1 games. They have a small amount of sectors that are pressed bad which IS the copy protection. No drive firmware was ever modified to do it though. You just need to burn the bad sectors and the backups WILL boot.

This would be awesome. 15 years later we can burn our own "legit" PS1 games

[BoNg420]

QUOTE(Weirdjerz3y @ Oct 13 2011, 02:46 PM)

I used to use memorex before too, and then killed my liteon laser. When that xbox got banned in 2009, i got another one, which was a sammy. I still believe verbatim isnt worth the money at all. I use Optical Quantum, I buy them from newegg. Really cheap and work great. I have some backups, that are really messed up from being thrown around. And when i go to play, my Samsung reads them like nothing. I recommend you try it out. They are not like alone, or memorex, or TDK. These to me, are worth the $30-$40 for a pack of 50. I gotten 1 coaster once, And that was my fault. I didn't use the .dvd file, cause i didn't have it.(I renamed the rip, so i forgot, to make a new dvd file) BTW i burn using my Sony Optiarc DVD burner. These are really good, in my opinion. My laser hasn't given me problems, and i can play for hours, and i never get reading error. The laser is the original one also. When i got the Xbox it was never opened.
 I have two Sony Optiarc DVD burners from May 2010, And they work great. And yes the are Re-branded, NEC drives. I burned many different brands, and i barely ever get coasters, with any brand, From Memorex, TDk to verbatim, Pretty much any brand i throw at them  works perfect.

You can usually get 30 for $30 or 50 for $50 verbatim DVD+R DL on amazon.com free shipping no tax, so its worth it for the extra $10-20 to pay for quality disc.  They are on sale now.

30 for $26.99
http://www.amazon.co...0...9539&sr=8-1

50 for $47.99
http://www.amazon.co...-...9539&sr=8-2

[bpear96]

QUOTE(TonyRage @ Oct 13 2011, 03:38 PM)

Yes, so XGD3 is a larger capacity than a standard DVD+R DL....
Yet, firmware claims to increase the physical capacity of a standard DVD+R DL disc? Am I the only one who considers this a strange and contradicting statement?

If the limitation is physical, this makes absolutely no sense.

If im not mistaken A DVD+R DL actually has 9 GB of space, but .5GB are taken up by the format etc, so im guessing this CFW for dvd burners is similar to what M$ is doing, it probably reworks the format to only use .3 GB vs .5GB leaving 8.7GB available for DATA, I dont think MS is using special made disc for the offical XGD3 discs, just a different format. Which we will be able to do are selfs via this new FW for dvd burners

QUOTE(Omikron199 @ Oct 13 2011, 07:46 PM)

I think the drives are

iHAS124 = basic model
iHAS224 = 124 + LightScribe
iHAS324 = 124 + SmartErase
iHAS424 = 124 + LightScribe + SmartErase (or= 224 + SmartErase)
iHAS524 = 124 + LabelTag + SmartErase
iHAS624 = 124 + LabelTag + LightScribe + SmartErase (or = 524 + LightScribe)

These models are almost the same, cross flashable (additional functions are managed by hardware, only flashing won't add them)
Besides these models are based on MediaTek MT1879E(124-324),  MT1879LE(424-624) chipsets

They are rebadged often as Plextor PX-880SA, Asus DRW-24B1ST, Asus DRW-24B1LT or TEAC W524GS and Sony Optiarc AD-724xS.
Plenty of choice I suppose. Only 2 chipsets, only 1 firmware needed for all. Good price and availability. Many people already have one.

Yea i think its definitely the lite-on iHAS series, on c4evaspeaks.com it says "(Models [6 in
total] will
be announced
at a later
date)" lite-on iHAS has 6 models, so makes sense also its under $25, has sata, and widely available

[Hucklebuck1]

QUOTE(lrod2344 @ Oct 13 2011, 09:30 AM)

I think the TSSCORP Drives are a very good drive.... They are plentiful especially if you have an HP or Dell PC or laptop Ive used these burners exclusively for many years and they have never failed me.. they are cheap and have about 6 or so different models however as I understand the firmwares are somewhat interchangeable ..... they are also made by Samsung/TSSCORP so I would THINK would be a good choice.... anyway Im just reaching and hoping here since I have access to hundreds and hundreds of these drives here at work (selfish) but if I have to buy I have to buy..... I'll probably buy at LEAST 2 since its always good to have a spare on hand. Its gonna be a mad dash to the retailers once the make/model is released.

Oh yeah and C4E ..... you are a mad Genius..... good work... GREAT work.....

I agree that price gouging will certainly be a problem.... but listen if I have to pay 50...60...70 bucks for a 25 Dollar drive then I have to pay it plus the added cost of Verbatims (shit I just bought 100 TDKs).... its either THAT or either NOT play any XGD3 backups or BUY the title OR buy a properly burned backup from some schmuck who was smart enough to get the burner and is now making his money back selling backups for 15 or 20 bucks. Do the math and the cost savings will be significant.

There are more options than you mention.  JTAG's, ODDE,  and maybe even RGH when they get a dashboard.  Right now I'm playing GOW3 on a JTAG.

[lrod2344]

QUOTE(Hucklebuck1 @ Oct 13 2011, 08:39 PM)

There are more options than you mention.  JTAG's, ODDE,  and maybe even RGH when they get a dashboard.  Right now I'm playing GOW3 on a JTAG.

 

Yes you are quite right..... but for those who want to go on XBL the options I mentioned are pretty much it.... JTAGs are a different beast altogether and if youre advanced enough to JTAG your console youre certainly smart enough to know XBL is a NO NO.... RGH is neither here nor there but merely a means to an end (allow a previously un JTAggable console to be JTAGged) and ODDEs havent yet been deemed XBL safe..... Pretty much like our PS3 cousins.... a shitload of options to play backups... with CFW and JailBreaks but none will allow for PSN Play.... not for long anyway.....but yeah I agree there ARE other options.

[Weirdjerz3y]

QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Oct 13 2011, 02:12 PM)

You can usually get 30 for $30 or 50 for $50 verbatim DVD+R DL on amazon.com free shipping no tax, so its worth it for the extra $10-20 to pay for quality disc.  They are on sale now.

30 for $26.99
http://www.amazon.co...0...9539&sr=8-1

50 for $47.99
http://www.amazon.co...-...9539&sr=8-2

Really? Then i think i might try them out, if for the XGD3 we do need verbatim. Cause i was going to buy them a few times, and i also saw about $100 for a pack of 50, that burn at 2.4x.

[sh4yd33]

QUOTE(Omikron199 @ Oct 13 2011, 07:46 PM)

I think the drives are

iHAS124 = basic model
iHAS224 = 124 + LightScribe
iHAS324 = 124 + SmartErase
iHAS424 = 124 + LightScribe + SmartErase (or= 224 + SmartErase)
iHAS524 = 124 + LabelTag + SmartErase
iHAS624 = 124 + LabelTag + LightScribe + SmartErase (or = 524 + LightScribe)

These models are almost the same, cross flashable (additional functions are managed by hardware, only flashing won't add them)
Besides these models are based on MediaTek MT1879E(124-324),  MT1879LE(424-624) chipsets

They are rebadged often as Plextor PX-880SA, Asus DRW-24B1ST, Asus DRW-24B1LT or TEAC W524GS and Sony Optiarc AD-724xS.
Plenty of choice I suppose. Only 2 chipsets, only 1 firmware needed for all. Good price and availability. Many people already have one.

I REALLY hope this is the case. I just bought a ASUS DRW-24B1ST 3 weeks before LT 2.0.. This would make my year.. haha

[Spark]

QUOTE(bpear96 @ Oct 13 2011, 09:33 PM)

If im not mistaken A DVD+R DL actually has 9 GB of space, but .5GB are taken up by the format etc, so im guessing this CFW for dvd burners is similar to what M$ is doing, it probably reworks the format to only use .3 GB vs .5GB leaving 8.7GB available for DATA, I dont think MS is using special made disc for the offical XGD3 discs, just a different format. Which we will be able to do are selfs via this new FW for dvd burners
Yea i think its definitely the lite-on iHAS series, on c4evaspeaks.com it says "(Models [6 in
total] will
be announced
at a later
date)" lite-on iHAS has 6 models, so makes sense also its under $25, has sata, and widely available

You know, the more I look around online today, the more it makes sense, that drive is everywhere and I am as yet to see the 124 model priced over the $22 mark.

[BanditRW]

Well....good thing I just recently stocked up on the Verbatims cause it looks like there may be a run on them when this FW gets released.
As for the DVD-Burner I guess I'm going to have to kiss my trusty old SATA Pioneer 219 goodbye.In anticipation of the Burner announcement and just trying to make a best guess about which model it will be based on the info so far,I've ordered the LiteOn IHAS 124-04 from NewEgg.There are 4 Models available below $25.

[Spark]

QUOTE(lrod2344 @ Oct 13 2011, 10:59 PM)

whoa..... youve got SPUNK.... I LIKE IT!!!

Well, it's not like an expensive device and lets face it it's probably the front runner right now, I'd actually be really surprised if it turned out to be anything else.

[danthaman673]

C4eva, sir, I take my hat off to you....


BTW, for anyone having issues with Forza4 I had dirty disc when installing to HDD, with an original no less (LT+2.0)  so I tried going back to OFW and still had the probs, Nothing to do with CFW. Apologies if I have in the past possibly suggested this may have been a CFW issue as it is not.


Thanx again C4eva looking forward to the new burning FW :-) (I'm guessing other brands will work, as long as ur willing to waste a few $$ testing etc..)