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ABGX360 about new iXtreme v1.91 FW and AP2.6 Posted by XanTium | August 8 23:07 EST | News Category: Xbox360

From abgx360.net: "Due to the new AP26 random challenges the safety freeze for unknown or bad AP25 data is no longer supported. Please ensure your AP25 data is correct for the dashboard version you are using." This means that (for consoles which do AP25 checks [see the AP25 FAQ for info]): * AP25 backups (see the list of AP25 games) that are not patched with AP25 replay data will fail the normal AP25 challenges outright. (The normal AP25 challenges from the DAE table are still being performed along with the new random "AP26" challenges.) * AP25 backups that are patched with old/incomplete/bogus AP25 replay data will fail the normal AP25 challenges outright. * AP25 backups that are patched with current AP25 replay data will fail the normal AP25 challenges outright when the DAE table is updated again. So far the DAE table has only been updated through system (dashboard) updates but it could possibly be updated by other means. Any of these failures will probably flag your console for a ban in the next banwave. Official Site: http://www.abgx360.net

[Darkflame]

IIRC there are 50 possible replies that can be sent from a AP2.5 Challenge? Damn I might be way off please chime in and correct me if I am mistaken.

But is it possible that Microsoft could simply push an update that says.

Flash the DVD-Drive like before, send the lock commands like before and update the system dashboard but randomly pick a DAE and have the dashboard quetly flash that DAE.

So we can all update our boxes, some of us might have challenge #5 stored in our nands, others might have challenge #28 stored, others #19 etc. On a original, all the responses are there yet on CFW + ABGX we have to preprogram our responses. Thus this would render ABGX and CFW more of a russian roulette rather then a viable means to play our backups?

I mean what good is patching the data with one set of credentials if your box is flashing a random choice of 1-50?

That's like 49 bullets and one free chamber after each system update.

Is this feasable or is the current implementation of AP2.5 not permissible of this.

[specialguest]

So I guess all this really means is that as of now there are only 6 games to stay away from...  i dont care to mess with all of the AP25 patching stuff. The easy thing to do is not play them at all.

[xxxDarkxxx]

This sucks in some way but thank god for jtags/dev kits.

[iateshaggy]

yes, because running an iso though a simple program is so hard to do before burning your backup.

[BigSteel]

So, am I correct that AP2.5 games will need to be rebacked up possibly with each new dashboard update?

[iAmMasterF]

my halo reach has ap25 from dash 13146... its that ok for LT+1.91 on dash 13599?

This post has been edited by iAmMasterF: Aug 9 2011, 06:58 AM

[khontos]

QUOTE(iAmMasterF @ Aug 9 2011, 01:55 AM)

my halo reach has ap25 from dash 13146... its that ok for LT+1.91 on dash 13599?

yep

[XBOX360NYMODING]

thanks for the info was posted on abgx yesterday was reading it there buts its good to see it posted here so people can be more aware of what is going on.

[danthaman673]

QUOTE(Darkflame @ Aug 9 2011, 01:43 PM)

IIRC there are 50 possible replies that can be sent from a AP2.5 Challenge? Damn I might be way off please chime in and correct me if I am mistaken.

But is it possible that Microsoft could simply push an update that says.

Flash the DVD-Drive like before, send the lock commands like before and update the system dashboard but randomly pick a DAE and have the dashboard quetly flash that DAE.

So we can all update our boxes, some of us might have challenge #5 stored in our nands, others might have challenge #28 stored, others #19 etc. On a original, all the responses are there yet on CFW + ABGX we have to preprogram our responses. Thus this would render ABGX and CFW more of a russian roulette rather then a viable means to play our backups?

I mean what good is patching the data with one set of credentials if your box is flashing a random choice of 1-50?

That's like 49 bullets and one free chamber after each system update.

Is this feasable or is the current implementation of AP2.5 not permissible of this.

No, Fortunately AFAIK It doesn't work like that...

Think of it this way: M$ have rolled-out drive FW, it does what it needs to(inc. new reply to new challenges), to support new features. CFW emulates those responses the same way the original does. Because the current system means that we can't physically write the security layer to the disk, so it has to be written somewhere... AFAIK, that info is basically a 'replay' of the result of a physical test of the original security feature (Using varied angles) I would think there would be a formula that could be applied to model that test, probably better suited to emulation based devices. M$ could use Title updates and other sneaky things to do other challenges that silently fail, we would find-out an act accordingly ...but we're not there yet and neither of us wants to be there, just yet....


I think this post is addressing (apart form the usual noob FAQ stuff) some issues that have arisen lately over alternate means of patching AP2.5. Some ppl think some means are safe, that are generally believed not be so..


Brgds/Dan

This post has been edited by danthaman673: Aug 9 2011, 09:47 AM

[mafla]

Hello there, and I 2.0.13599.0 das LT_Plus_1.91_Firmware.
not a good game of cod b.o Irish problem
What is the problem?

[blackopsftw]

AP2.6 is an evil sob

Think about it, you're playing an AP2.5 game, all of a sudden it requests a dashboard update. You accept, then immediately after the update your AP2.5 game spins up, with now incorrect responses, immediately you're flagged for a ban. Where before all that would have happened was a black screen and you would have been saved by drive fw.

I'd say definitely the best advice would be to avoid dash updates until testers/banned consoles confirm dae.bin has been updated and new patches have been released. If this means going without live for a week or two then so be it, we're no longer protected by FW.

QUOTE(iateshaggy @ Aug 9 2011, 05:36 AM)

yes, because running an iso though a simple program is so hard to do before burning your backup.

abgx360 won't be immediately updated after a dash update and will show the disc as having correct replay data, when in actuality it won't

abgx360 won't save many people imo.

[iateshaggy]

i agree with ya there, it does require the user to use their brain.  on the other hand, so do the games they play, how do think they figure them out?

[tullyfish]

Simple advice seems to be - never automatically accept a dash update until you have read up on what it does.  If this means a few days offline then so be it.

As for all this talk about MS could do this or MS could do that.  Worry about it if and when they actually do it.  I am sure you will read about it on here first.

[Gazc0igne]

QUOTE(specialguest @ Aug 9 2011, 04:29 AM)

So I guess all this really means is that as of now there are only 6 games to stay away from...  i dont care to mess with all of the AP25 patching stuff. The easy thing to do is not play them at all.

i'd bet good money that at some stage all games will have AP2.5 checks in place, the 6 used so far are only a trial run IMHO