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[The Cisco Kid]

I foolishly applied to be apart of the beta preview program (not realizing it was to test a new disc format) ......Well for scientific research I applied the update shortly after 9:45pm Central and to my (not) suprise all backups cease to work just coming up "Play DVD" where retail games works as always.  I fear they might have flashed my xbox firmware back to normal.....I haven't checked as of yet.....Although it may be a new disc format that compromises with older retail discs

[syntaxerror329]

Hmm interesting. I can't wait to hear what they have done this time. I don't think they would be flashing dvd drives in the xbox.  What drive do you have and what version is it?

[ravendrow]

QUOTE(syntaxerror329 @ Apr 6 2011, 09:08 PM)

Hmm interesting. I can't wait to hear what they have done this time. I don't think they would be flashing dvd drives in the xbox.  What drive do you have and what version is it?

i will be pulling a apart a 93450c for an MRA dump tonight it was stock before the update but i wanna see if they messed with the f/w good thing i have a backup of the ofw to compare it against

This post has been edited by ravendrow: Apr 7 2011, 05:28 AM

[Bloodsack]

We all knew this was coming.  When does this update dash go on XBL?  If I get a update I will avoid it.

[alanewake]

Hello guys...some one's need to dump the firmware to see if it's different from the previous one...thanks alot for the information... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

QUOTE(The Cisco Kid @ Apr 7 2011, 04:57 AM)

I foolishly applied to be apart of the beta preview program (not realizing it was to test a new disc format) ......Well for scientific research I applied the update shortly after 9:45pm Central and to my (not) suprise all backups cease to work just coming up "Play DVD" where retail games works as always.  I fear they might have flashed my xbox firmware back to normal.....I haven't checked as of yet.....Although it may be a new disc format that compromises with older retail discs

hello man...if you had a xenon..so you had a Samsung or Hitachi wivh is easy to dump & flash...try to see if the is e new firmware into your drive...try to dump-it with Jungle Flasher...
regards

[jhan1]

QUOTE(Bloodsack @ Apr 7 2011, 10:25 AM)

We all knew this was coming.  When does this update dash go on XBL?  If I get a update I will avoid it.

This is the "Beta Preview Program" it only happens if you sign up for it.  Don't freak out.  And even if they do implement it in some way it will be bypassed by either reburning games or a firmware update or some other magic preformed by the team.  M$ never wins

[blackopsftw]

TeamXecuter have confirmed that the new beta dash stops ALL NON-AP25 patched games from booting.

http://www.team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63434

Drive firmware hasn't been touched, I guess they've just made it so all all games are now AP25 protected (and you'll need a patch for every backup game that you own).

This post has been edited by blackopsftw: Apr 7 2011, 06:56 PM

[dragoscojan]

team x says the new dash applies ap25 to all existing games,and backups without the ap25 replay sector boot to a black screen (as expected).
this wouldn't be a major issue,but The Cisco Kid says that his backups are no longer recognized,instead they show up as "play dvd",just like a retail console.fw rewrite?maybe even changed dvdkey?

[The Cisco Kid]

QUOTE(dragoscojan @ Apr 7 2011, 01:18 PM)

team x says the new dash applies ap25 to all existing games,and backups without the ap25 replay sector boot to a black screen (as expected).
this wouldn't be a major issue,but The Cisco Kid says that his backups are no longer recognized,instead they show up as "play dvd",just like a retail console.fw rewrite?maybe even changed dvdkey?

Drago - No they did not change the dvd key as that would cause the system to fail as the mobo and dvd drive are paired.  And they have no reason to change that key anyway...

Update:  I never tried a ap2.5 game such as Fable 3 or Black Ops until now.... I tried an ap 2.5 ssv2 backup of fable 3 as well as a remastered Black ops backup with ssv2 and ap2.5.   Both of them came up "Play DVD"  So my new theory is that the ap2.5 code has changed or another check has been included...

[The_Doctor]

Afaik, it was said over at xboxhacker that, through updates, the xbox can send different AP2.5 challenges (which is likely whats happened)

This post has been edited by The_Doctor: Apr 7 2011, 09:01 PM

[dragoscojan]

QUOTE(The Cisco Kid @ Apr 7 2011, 10:20 PM)

Drago - No they did not change the dvd key as that would cause the system to fail as the mobo and dvd drive are paired.  And they have no reason to change that key anyway...

Update:  I never tried a ap2.5 game such as Fable 3 or Black Ops until now.... I tried an ap 2.5 ssv2 backup of fable 3 as well as a remastered Black ops backup with ssv2 and ap2.5.   Both of them came up "Play DVD"  So my new theory is that the ap2.5 code has changed or another check has been included...

well if they're able to rewrite the drive's firmware,it would be easy for them to also change the dvd key both in the drive's fw and the console's nand,so if you have a liteon drive for example,you'd have to do another mra hack to dump the fw and get the new key.

what dvd drive does your console have?

[Ranger72]

QUOTE(dragoscojan @ Apr 7 2011, 04:51 PM)

well if they're able to rewrite the drive's firmware,it would be easy for them to also change the dvd key both in the drive's fw and the console's nand,so if you have a liteon drive for example,you'd have to do another mra hack to dump the fw and get the new key.

what dvd drive does your console have?

Think about what you are saying.

If they changed the key "which they would not do" retail games would still work. And if they changed the key on just the drive or just the nand to make the drive not load any games then they would be intentional breaking consoles which even they are no dumb enough to do.

[robo989]

QUOTE(dragoscojan @ Apr 7 2011, 09:51 PM)

well if they're able to rewrite the drive's firmware,it would be easy for them to also change the dvd key both in the drive's fw and the console's nand,so if you have a liteon drive for example,you'd have to do another mra hack to dump the fw and get the new key.

what dvd drive does your console have?

lol don't talk about things you don't understand. It has the effect of making one look a little silly.

[dragoscojan]

QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Apr 8 2011, 01:48 AM)

Think about what you are saying.

If they changed the key "which they would not do" retail games would still work. And if they changed the key on just the drive or just the nand to make the drive not load any games then they would be intentional breaking consoles which even they are no dumb enough to do.

i don't think you understood what i was saying.
new ap25 challenges would stop games from booting,but the console should still recognize them as games (instead of "play dvd") and show a black screen with LT+ firmware,or unreadable disc on older ixtreme versions.

the play dvd message on all backups (but not retail discs) happens on consoles with stock firmware.that's why im saying maybe the new dash returnes the drive back to stock firmware.
there's no evidence that microsoft can't flash the drive's fw via the console.sure,we all think it cant be done,but nobody knows for sure.

i never said they would change the dvd key on just the drive or nand,that would make the console show "play dvd" on all discs,including retail.obviously this is not the case.
but,if they can flash the drive back to stock,it's logical to assume that they can also change the key in BOTH the drive and the nand,like they do with serviced consoles when they're sent for repair (they change the keys in all repaired consoles).

QUOTE(robo989 @ Apr 8 2011, 02:39 AM)

lol don't talk about things you don't understand. It has the effect of making one look a little silly.

dev kits are able to change the key in the dvd drive and create a new keyvault,i dont understand why i am being silly for thinking that the new dashboard could to the same thing on retail consoles (assuming flashing is possible).

[The Cisco Kid]

Well anyway seems the update does flash a non modified firmware back onto the drive and a simple flash back will get non ap2.5 games working again as ap2.5 games need new ap2.5 info for them to work.  I haven't checked mine yet with is a liteon 78*** with lt1.1.  I'll repost when I do it tonight