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[bullka]

QUOTE(Buzzcut @ Nov 19 2010, 01:36 PM)

Yep that's fine, just giving you 3 ways of getting your old key.  No extra hardware needed apart from something to actually power the drive, I use an old RROD xbox but others use a proper Xecuter etc.

Thanks for quick answer. As I don't have any Xecuter devices I will need to figure out how to power my drive.
See you!

[TheGlow]

Im still just a little concerned about updating the dash with LT on my drive for now.
Theres no check initiated at time of update on the dash?
I will probably just play paranoid and stay offline till new LT, flash stock, update, reflash
Although Im missing live for my RB dlc.

[bullka]

QUOTE(TheGlow @ Nov 19 2010, 02:36 PM)

Im still just a little concerned about updating the dash with LT on my drive for now.
Theres no check initiated at time of update on the dash?
I will probably just play paranoid and stay offline till new LT, flash stock, update, reflash
Although Im missing live for my RB dlc.

I'm also paranoind and I'm staying offline until the new firmware (aka LT+) is released.

But c4e confirmed that:
- It's safe to update to new dash.
- It's safe to play online all green games (properly stealthed with ssv2 and green abgx360 output) but Fable3 and other AP25 games.
- It's not safe installing title updates as AP25 instructions can be downloaded together with TU.
- It's not required to go back to stock FW before updating the Dash.
You can find his messages under the "Xth update from C4e" topics.

According to c4e - you're too paranoid

[ThaCrip]

i got a question...

i know c4eva said that Samsung 360's don't support AP2.5 but is there anything else at play on games that use AP2.5 like NFS: Hot Pursuit?...

...i ask mostly because i am wondering if i made a backup of the NFS:HP disc and since it appears to require the new dashboard would i have any issues running it offline on my Samsung system running newest LT firmware for it?

and would i possibly get flagged for a ban by using it offline?

i am just looking for confirmation before i try anything as i am currently on v9199 dashboard using Samsung LT1.0 firmware on my 360 with a Samsung drive. (the 360 has not been on xbox live at all since about 2 weeks prior to Forza3's release. and my 'secdata is clean' according to Xval)

This post has been edited by ThaCrip: Nov 19 2010, 02:42 PM

[iGuru]

Interesting to hear LT+ will be able to play AP2.5 games even if challenge has failed previously (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(Buzzcut @ Nov 19 2010, 11:36 AM)

Yep that's fine, just giving you 3 ways of getting your old key.  No extra hardware needed apart from something to actually power the drive, I use an old RROD xbox but others use a proper Xecuter etc.

A little off topic, but as you mentioned it...

I've always used the power from the 360 I am flashing the drive on, is there any reason not to do this? The 360 is not banned etc. and has clean SecData.
If it's best not to use the 360 being flashed, I do have an old RRoD I could use instead.

Cheers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(ThaCrip @ Nov 19 2010, 01:40 PM)

and would i possibly get flagged for a ban by using it offline?

i am just looking for confirmation before i try anything as i am currently on v9199 dashboard using Samsung LT1.0 firmware on my 360 with a Samsung drive. (the 360 has not been on xbox live at all since about 2 weeks prior to Forza3's release. and my 'secdata is clean' according to Xval)

No, you would not get flagged for playing it offline.

As for AP2.5 in general, it should be fine as you have a Samsung.

I honestly do not know if it makes any difference in the long run, but this was the process I used to update:

1) Flashed back to the original firmware (using JungleFlasher)
2) Updated the dash (via Xbox live, as my console is not banned. USB update would work fine too).
3) Flashed drive back to iXtreme (on my Elite /w Hitachi) and have had no problems with AP2.5 games.

No idea if flashing back to the original firmware makes any difference during dash updates, but i'd rather be safe than sorry.
Note: This was on an unbanned console, that has never been online with modified firmware.

This post has been edited by iGuru: Nov 19 2010, 02:52 PM

[ThaCrip]

QUOTE(iGuru @ Nov 19 2010, 08:42 AM)

No, you would not get flagged for playing it offline.

As for AP2.5 in general, it should be fine as you have a Samsung.

I honestly do not know if it makes any difference in the long run, but this was the process I used:

Flashed back to the original firmware
Updated the dash (via Xbox live, as my console is not banned. USB update would work fine too).
Flashed drive back to iXtreme (on my Elite /w Hitachi) and have had no problems with AP2.5 games.

i guess my main question is... "IF" SSv3 is implemented into new games i assume that would stop even Samsung 360's from working?

or is it safe to assume that ALL current stuff (and probably in near future) will just have the current AP2.5 checks that DO NOT effect Samsung drives?

i just mostly want confirmation before i update to newest dashboard because i am currently on v9199 and i just want to be sure

[Mooner2]

QUOTE(iGuru @ Nov 19 2010, 02:42 PM)

Interesting to hear LT+ will be able to play AP2.5 games even if challenge has failed previously
A little off topic, but as you mentioned it...

I've always used the power from the 360 I am flashing the drive on, is there any reason not to do this? The 360 is not banned etc. and has clean SecData.
If it's best not to use the 360 being flashed, I do have an old RRoD I could use instead.

It has been mentioned that when the data cable is not connect to drive when the 360 is powered on it makes a record of it in a file in the nand. Its a pre-caution many others and I take in case they decided to ban on that specific case.

But to argue against my point it would do the same during a RROD repair (w/ removed drive) by anybody (third party) not aware of this and having no intentions of using backups.

[bullka]

QUOTE(Mooner2 @ Nov 19 2010, 03:57 PM)

 

But to argue against my point it would do the same during a RROD repair (w/ removed drive) by anybody (third party) not aware of this and having no intentions of using backups.

So how to safely power the DVD drive without turning on the Xbox? Is it possible to use the Molex power cable from the PC? I assume some adapter is needed Molex->Xbox_Liteon_Power_Connector ? Right?

I don't have a second console.

[iGuru]

QUOTE(Mooner2 @ Nov 19 2010, 01:57 PM)

It has been mentioned that when the data cable is not connect to drive when the 360 is powered on it makes a record of it in a file in the nand. Its a pre-caution many others and I take in case they decided to ban on that specific case.

But to argue against my point it would do the same during a RROD repair (w/ removed drive) by anybody (third party) not aware of this and having no intentions of using backups.

Ah, interesting. Thanks.

QUOTE(bullka @ Nov 19 2010, 02:12 PM)

So how to safely power the DVD drive without turning on the Xbox? Is it possible to use the Molex power cable from the PC? I assume some adapter is needed Molex->Xbox_Liteon_Power_Connector ? Right?

I don't have a second console.

No idea if you can get a molex converter, but you can get things like the Xecuter XK3 Lite.

[greedy_boy_3]

QUOTE(steveo1978 @ Nov 19 2010, 12:39 PM)

Its funny people only see things the way they wanna see them. If you read that rule carefully it states you can say you took a certain backup on live but it does not say you can ask if it is safe to play backups on live.  

Example of what the rule allows: I got banned from live I played backups on live but I have my lite-on flashed with ixtreme LT and I dumped my game using the 0800 firmware and verified using abgx.

Example of what the rule does not allow: If I have the LT+ firmware can I play on live?

The simple fact is this: if you think the rules of xbox-scene are absolutely crystal clear, you are not from this planet.

I assume that this site wants lots of traffic (i.e. money) but it doesn't want to get into any legal trouble.  For a site about hacking and other such things this is equivalent to wanting to have your cake and eat it, IMHO.  Note: I assume the site's rules don't prevent me from expressing a somewhat negative opinion of the site itself.

Anyway, it's nothing to cry ourselves to sleep about.  Roll on LT+!

P.S. steveo, if I have the LT+ firmware can I play on Live?  Heh, that was just for lols, sorry.  I retract the question.

QUOTE(tech3475 @ Nov 19 2010, 01:08 PM)

I wonder if C4eva can release a new xtreme firmware which runs any backup (including SL ones) and includes a built in 0800 mode (IIRC lt+ removed this)? Would make things easier for us banned users.

ROFL.  I'm sure he'll get right onto this tonight for you.

[greedy_boy_3]

QUOTE(Mooner2 @ Nov 19 2010, 03:57 PM)

It has been mentioned that when the data cable is not connect to drive when the 360 is powered on it makes a record of it in a file in the nand. Its a pre-caution many others and I take in case they decided to ban on that specific case.

But to argue against my point it would do the same during a RROD repair (w/ removed drive) by anybody (third party) not aware of this and having no intentions of using backups.

True, but I believe that technically the TOS have been violated if you get your console repaired by any unauthorised third-party.  If we assume that all authorised third-parties are aware of the flag thing (and avoid causing it), then MS can still justifiably ban you if the flag is found - not for flashing your drive, but for having your console repaired/opened by a random shop/person.

However, your drive could easily become faulty and fail to start once or twice (which one assumes would cause the flag too), and therefore MS can't justifiably ban any console containing the flag, imo.  Therefore, assuming MS only does things which are justifiable (hmm...), my first paragraph is null and void, and you should not worry about powering-on your box without the drive attached

[iGuru]

QUOTE(greedy_boy_3 @ Nov 19 2010, 02:39 PM)

ROFL.  I'm sure he'll get right onto this tonight for you.

Yup, and after that he'll work on LT+ for all Hitachi drives

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[greedy_boy_3]

QUOTE(ThaCrip @ Nov 19 2010, 03:51 PM)

i guess my main question is... "IF" SSv3 is implemented into new games i assume that would stop even Samsung 360's from working?

or is it safe to assume that ALL current stuff (and probably in near future) will just have the current AP2.5 checks that DO NOT effect Samsung drives?

i just mostly want confirmation before i update to newest dashboard because i am currently on v9199 and i just want to be sure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

SSv3 is the mechanism by which 'the scene' will combat the AP2.5 checks, it is not something which is 'implemented into new games'.  If a new or old game disc is/has been pressed with the extra security layer, it is a candidate for AP2.5 checks.  The dashboard (via Live or not when offline) is responsible for deciding whether or not an AP2.5 check should be attempted.  If the dashboard notices that your DVD drive is a Samsung, it will NEVER attempt an AP2.5 check.  This is why Samsung users needn't care about how new or old games are pressed (at least not in the near future).

If I were you I would update to the new dashboard with almost no worries.  I assume c4eva won't bother with LT+ for Samsungs (I don't see the advantage), so if you don't update the dash you will never be able to play any games which require it.

[sdboltdude]

ok so kroen is all good aslong as abgx is used and dont use 0800 rips
is this right?
would like to know witch way is the best way to go

is their a program that can tell what files are kreon or 0800 i have both in same folder would be nice to get it orgenized...


thanks C4 for all the great work to make us sleep better at night...

This post has been edited by sdboltdude: Nov 19 2010, 04:16 PM

[iGuru]

QUOTE(sdboltdude @ Nov 19 2010, 03:15 PM)

ok so kroen is all good aslong as abgx is used and dont use 0800 rips
is this right?

No, the best way to do it would be to use 0800 firmware, not Kreon.
Kreon only rips SSv1, 0800 firmware rips SSv2.

If you're using a Kreon drive then you should definitely run any rips though ABGX360 to update it to SSv2.

When SSv3 is used, a new 0800 firmware release will be needed to properly rip it from games.

Hope this clears that up for you.

This post has been edited by iGuru: Nov 19 2010, 04:23 PM