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[sidneysides]

QUOTE(ezio911 @ Nov 16 2010, 02:12 PM)

if it failes reading ap2.5 you profile get corrupt. you can get achievements and sign/sync with live. but if you try to use this profile on another console it wont work. you have to recovery your profile to use the savegames. thats very negative aspect i think.

So its not possible to even recover it on another console - it will still be corrupt on any other console?  Basically, your profile forever tied to that banned/flagged box?

[gamesquest1]

well i will say no more on the matter except that its in the best hands it could be in

[lrod2344]

From what Ive read (and what that post claims) the disc HAS to have the new "security layer" pressed into it in order for AP25 to request a read from it..... I reasonably expect ANY new game to have this layer and most likely any games as far back as FIFA 09 (even though there is some confusion).... as stated previously we WILL ABSOLUTELY have to re-burn any games that are AP25 aware since we KNOW AP25 will be used from now on.... As far as ABGX is concerned.... like I said if you enable the maximum verbosity level (as far as Ive seen) it will report "AntiPiracy25 Media" on NEW game isos.... I dont have FIFA 09 to check so maybe someone who DOES have it can check...... I would Imagine a list of games and/or updates for games that enable AP25 as MS releases them.... but we should all start putting away some extra cash  to buy those new Dual Layer discs we will need.... personally Im going to need at lease a 5 or 6 50 packs.... this is getting expensive.... when LT was released it was reported that all media needed SSV2 and so ALL my games went in the trash and I had run them all through ABGX get the SSV2's on them and then reburn them TWICE for me and my kids.... now here I go again....  Im paranoid tho.... Im not taking any chances with ol Billy Gates... so I just unplug all my consoles and put them in a airtight water tight locked lead box and bury them in a hole 6 feet in the ground in my back yard.... BAN THAT MICROSOFT!!!!!

This post has been edited by lrod2344: Nov 16 2010, 05:18 PM

[viper3344]

QUOTE(lrod2344 @ Nov 16 2010, 05:15 PM)

From what Ive read (and what that post claims) the disc HAS to have the new "security layer" pressed into it in order for AP25 to request a read from it..... I reasonably expect ANY new game to have this layer and most likely any games as far back as FIFA 09 (even though there is some confusion).... as stated previously we WILL ABSOLUTELY have to re-burn any games that are AP25 aware since we KNOW AP25 will be used from now on.... As far as ABGX is concerned.... like I said if you enable the maximum verbosity level (as far as Ive seen) it will report "AntiPiracy25 Media" on NEW game isos.... I dont have FIFA 09 to check so maybe someone who DOES have it can check...... I would Imagine a list of games and/or updates for games that enable AP25 as MS releases them.... but we should all start putting away some extra cash  to buy those new Dual Layer discs we will need.... personally Im going to need at lease a 5 or 6 50 packs.... this is getting expensive.... when LT was released it was reported that all media needed SSV2 and so ALL my games went in the trash and I had run them all through ABGX get the SSV2's on them and then reburn them TWICE for me and my kids.... now here I go again....  Im paranoid tho.... Im not taking any chances with ol Billy Gates... so I just unplug all my consoles and put them in a airtight water tight locked lead box and bury them in a hole 6 feet in the ground in my back yard.... BAN THAT MICROSOFT!!!!!

What if you dont care about online and only have the interest in booting the ap25 games.  Then will all the older games need a reburn if you have LT25?

[lrod2344]

QUOTE(viper3344 @ Nov 16 2010, 05:25 PM)

What if you dont care about online and only have the interest in booting the ap25 games.  Then will all the older games need a reburn if you have LT25?

Well.... if your interest is only in playing the game offline... it doesnt matter as AP25 just doesnt flag your console for a ban but actually PREVENTS the backup game from booting PERIOD.... so in a case like Need For Speed HP as a friend of mine has played last night.... it required the new dash update in order to play the game period.... his console is banned but still needed the update which was on the disc.... once updated he was able to play fine.... however his is an original 20GB Pro Release Model I know this because I went with him to buy it years ago and we waited online for it.... so He has a Samsung Drive in it which is the AP25 exception..... I only say this because:

 if you dont have a Samsung Drive or as some have reported an Early Hitachi....
And Update to the new dash which is required for (all??) AP25 games....
and DONT have LT+ which isnt released....
and DONT have SSV3 on your backup disc which noone has yet
and didint buy the game.....

then you cannot play any AP25 Games...IE: Fable III, NFS HP, SIMS 3???, Assasins...

I could be wrong tho.... but I cant check all this because A: Im not willing to risk my consoles so I wait for LT+ and B: my consoles are still buried underground safely hidden away from MS prying eyes....

[ezio911]

QUOTE(sidneysides @ Nov 16 2010, 04:27 PM)

So its not possible to even recover it on another console - it will still be corrupt on any other console?  Basically, your profile forever tied to that banned/flagged box?

If you recover on a clean(unflagged) console then your profile is clean. if you recover on a dirty(flagged) console then its corrupt.

i have read that you can uncorrupt with a tool named CON FLAGGER but if ms detecting this maybe you get profile ban..

[astr4twin]

QUOTE(lrod2344 @ Nov 16 2010, 06:15 PM)

We should all start putting away some extra cash  to buy those new Dual Layer discs we will need.... personally Im going to need at lease a 5 or 6 50 packs.... this is getting expensive.... when LT was released it was reported that all media needed SSV2 and so ALL my games went in the trash and I had run them all through ABGX get the SSV2's on them and then reburn them TWICE for me and my kids.... now here I go again....  Im paranoid tho.... Im not taking any chances with ol Billy Gates... so I just unplug all my consoles and put them in a airtight water tight locked lead box and bury them in a hole 6 feet in the ground in my back yard.... BAN THAT MICROSOFT!!!!!

I take it your refering to having to reburn all your games to be safe on live?

I'm not bothered about playing on live so all my games ive burnt to date should play fine forever more unless a TU comes out for a game which had AP2.5 hidden in it? correct?

Another question i had was, again not bothered about live so am i ok burning NFS,AC:BH ect off now ready for when LT+ is released or are these going to require reburning with SSV3 or patched with SSV3 for burning?

Also a theory i have as to how M$ might force us to reburn all our games if they infact have had AP2.5 in them since Fifa 09 would be to bring out a new dash update containing TU for all games released activating AP2.5 checks. They could force people to update to it by future games not booting unless your on the latest dash.

Well thats what id do if i was a C*** (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[fluffhead]

can anyone confirm that early hitachi drives are ap25 blind. I'm still running iexteme on mine.

[sidneysides]

QUOTE(ezio911 @ Nov 16 2010, 05:59 PM)

If you recover on a clean(unflagged) console then your profile is clean. if you recover on a dirty(flagged) console then its corrupt.

i have read that you can uncorrupt with a tool named CON FLAGGER but if ms detecting this maybe you get profile ban..

I have a clean elite too, so if I ended up with a corrupt profile, I could recover on the clean box and continue as normal??

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(Smok3y666 @ Nov 16 2010, 09:12 AM)

So if there is not a 100% way of knowing which games have AP 2.5 for all we know 1 or 2 could have it, the majority or all games could have it just waiting to be activated via a patch?

the only 100% sure way to know is to try to boot it on  system with the newest dash and a drive that supports it. you can run it through abgx, but as quoted earlier, this isn't a surefire method. it can tell you that a game is ap2.5, but it can't tell you that a game isn't ap2.5

as mentioned before, if the game fails to boot, odds are its ap 2.5.

also, add need for speed: hot pursuit to the list of ap2.5 titles. that brings the new known total up to 3.

This post has been edited by Reaper527: Nov 16 2010, 08:55 PM

[rabarone]

so, the new abgx 1.0.3 says that the game has AP25 ?

Where ?

[carlitoB]

i think it should be called LT2.5 or LT25 not LT+

for future updates LT+1.1 looks a bit silly imo.

reply to above post:- its in yellow writing so stands out. i have marked with ###############HERE as its not in yellow on my copy/paste.

Checking Game
     ISO: "F:\_XBOX360 GAMES\Assassins.Creed.Brotherhood.XBOX360-******.iso"
     Size: 7838695424 bytes (SplitVid 3rd or 4th wave)
     Game partition offset: 0xFD90000
     Root sector: 1783935 (0xE99CF800), 2048 bytes
     default.xex sector: 3148976 (0x1903E8000), 10334208 bytes
     Files in ISO: 84, Folders in ISO: 18
     Total bytes used: 6940833319 (95.10%)
Game appears to have random padding

Checking default.xex
     Module Flags:          Title Module
     Image Flags:           XGD2 Media Only
                            64 KB Pages
     System Flags:          Accesses Personally Identifiable Information (PII)
                            AntiPiracy25 Media #############################################HERE
     Title ID:              5553085D (US-2141)
     Ver / Base Ver:        v0.0.0.2 / v0.0.0.2
     Disc Number:           1 of 1
     Original PE Filename:  scimitar_final_ltcg.exe
     Original PE Timestamp: 2010/10/11 20:54:02
     Allowed Media Types:   DVD-XGD2 (Xbox 360 original disc)
     Game Ratings:          ESRB:    M (Mature 17+)
                            PEGI:    18+
                            PEGI-FI: 18+
                            PEGI-PT: 18+
                            USK:     16+
                            OFLC-AU: MA15+
                            OFLC-NZ: MA15+
                            FPB:     18+
     Compression Info:      Compressed and Encrypted
     Title Type:            Full Game Title
     Dashboard Languages:   English (default)
                            German
                            French
                            Spanish
                            Italian
                            Portuguese
     Game Name:             AC Brotherhood
     No Avatar Awards
     Achievements:          50 Achievements totaling 1000 Gamerscore
     XEX CRC = 33DF681B
     XEX Media ID: 298F341E24EBE1EC9524C655-6D88AE4F

Region Code: 0xFFFFFFFF
     Region Free!

This post has been edited by carlitoB: Nov 16 2010, 10:06 PM

[rabarone]

Thanks

QUOTE(carlitoB @ Nov 16 2010, 09:55 PM)

i think it should be called LT2.5 or LT25 not LT+

for future updates LT+1.1 looks a bit silly imo.

reply to above post:- its in yellow writing so stands out. i have marked with ###############HERE as its not in yellow on my copy/paste.

Checking Game
     ISO: "F:\_XBOX360 GAMES\Assassins.Creed.Brotherhood.XBOX360-******.iso"
     Size: 7838695424 bytes (SplitVid 3rd or 4th wave)
     Game partition offset: 0xFD90000
     Root sector: 1783935 (0xE99CF800), 2048 bytes
     default.xex sector: 3148976 (0x1903E8000), 10334208 bytes
     Files in ISO: 84, Folders in ISO: 18
     Total bytes used: 6940833319 (95.10%)
Game appears to have random padding

Checking default.xex
     Module Flags:          Title Module
     Image Flags:           XGD2 Media Only
                            64 KB Pages
     System Flags:          Accesses Personally Identifiable Information (PII)
                            AntiPiracy25 Media #############################################HERE
     Title ID:              5553085D (US-2141)
     Ver / Base Ver:        v0.0.0.2 / v0.0.0.2
     Disc Number:           1 of 1
     Original PE Filename:  scimitar_final_ltcg.exe
     Original PE Timestamp: 2010/10/11 20:54:02
     Allowed Media Types:   DVD-XGD2 (Xbox 360 original disc)
     Game Ratings:          ESRB:    M (Mature 17+)
                            PEGI:    18+
                            PEGI-FI: 18+
                            PEGI-PT: 18+
                            USK:     16+
                            OFLC-AU: MA15+
                            OFLC-NZ: MA15+
                            FPB:     18+
     Compression Info:      Compressed and Encrypted
     Title Type:            Full Game Title
     Dashboard Languages:   English (default)
                            German
                            French
                            Spanish
                            Italian
                            Portuguese
     Game Name:             AC Brotherhood
     No Avatar Awards
     Achievements:          50 Achievements totaling 1000 Gamerscore
     XEX CRC = 33DF681B
     XEX Media ID: 298F341E24EBE1EC9524C655-6D88AE4F

Region Code: 0xFFFFFFFF
     Region Free!

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(carlitoB @ Nov 16 2010, 03:55 PM)

i think it should be called LT2.5 or LT25 not LT+

for future updates LT+1.1 looks a bit silly imo.

then you should make your own firmware, and you can call it whatever you want.

QUOTE(carlitoB @ Nov 16 2010, 03:55 PM)

reply to above post:- its in yellow writing so stands out. i have marked with ###############HERE as its not in yellow on my copy/paste.

and like i said, it can tell you that a game has ap2.5, but it can't tell you that it doesn't.

if it says that a game has ap2.5, than it is obvious what that means. guess what though, it says fable 3 does NOT have ap2.5, and we all know that it does.

you can NOT look at one of those and be 100% sure a game isn't ap2.5. and to quote c4e

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[c4eva] with new dash xex flag is irrelevant!

guess what abgx looks at (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by Reaper527: Nov 16 2010, 10:42 PM

[Ruined]

I know this has probably been asked 1000 times... but...

I have a sammy drive and I do not play on live at all. My modded box isn't even connected to the internet. I should be able to play AP 2.5 backups with no trouble, correct?