The 360 that wouldn't install the Kinect dash is currently hooked up to my computer, reading out the nand. Someone at #fw suggested that uncripling was the way to go to get the new dash installed. It's a shitty old box and I'll be happy to do some testing with it. If I get the new dash in there I can test NFS or Fable 3 as the drive is a 78FK, produced in aug '06. I guess I will be flagged as the box is already banned, and that should make AP2.5 games unstartable, unless the drive skips AP2.5, right? So a surefire way to check if the 78FK really disregards AP2.5, from what I can gather?