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QUOTE(Chob @ Oct 30 2010, 02:48 PM)

Yes, just open the iso and Remove $Systemupdate folder, but not recommended for live, though

ya but if the games xex u want to play have the 12***K SDK compiled and ur xbox still runs on the 9199. the game wont boot and you need the update to play it.

[col12]

time to sell up buy a slim and wait for lt+ ive got an elite that hasnt been touched black ops should keep me busy until the doctor releases lt+

[TouchyFlea]

For those that have two consoles and are switching profiles between the two i am doing exactly the same.

I have a slim and a old falcon 360 i used for flashing. I use my slims hard drive between the two only difference being is that my slim is in the beta preview as i signed up on it ages ago. I have no problems moving my HDD from the latest beta dash to an old dash and back again.

I have played fable 3 on my non updated then gone online with my slim to play borderlands etc everything is fine

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QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 30 2010, 07:16 PM)

Non-stealth firmware makes no difference with the Kinect dashboard. Fable 3 won't boot on it and if you try and boot it, your console is flagged and you can no longer swap your gamertag between consoles. I can confirm that 100%.

Does anyone know how we can identify games that are affected by AP2.5? Obviously, if you try and boot it and it says "This disc is unreadable" that's possibly a good sign, but there needs to be a way to identify them before they're booted. Is there a way?

this is the only thing on my mind with this

Fable 3
Fifa 09

What else?

[kneehighspy]

QUOTE(TouchyFlea @ Oct 30 2010, 11:53 PM)

For those that have two consoles and are switching profiles between the two i am doing exactly the same.

I have a slim and a old falcon 360 i used for flashing. I use my slims hard drive between the two only difference being is that my slim is in the beta preview as i signed up on it ages ago. I have no problems moving my HDD from the latest beta dash to an old dash and back again.

I have played fable 3 on my non updated then gone online with my slim to play borderlands etc everything is fine

yeah same here, but check on live.xbox.com under 'games you've played' and see if any newer games you've played show up as last played on 1/1/1753.  all my newer games do, and the last title that shows up played as a correct date was back in 9/2009.  all xbla games show up as the correct date.  i think any checks microsoft implemented kind of went into affect in 09/2009, and now newer checks are being implemented with the kinect dash.

also, all new games show up on wavespatcher as wave4, not any of the newer 5,6 or 7 waves.  i guess wavespatcher hasn't been updated in a while to show newer waves other than 4 and below.

[TouchyFlea]

QUOTE(kneehighspy @ Oct 31 2010, 01:59 AM)

yeah same here, but check on live.xbox.com under 'games you've played' and see if any newer games you've played show up as last played on 1/1/1753.  all my newer games do, and the last title that shows up played as a correct date was back in 9/2009.  all xbla games show up as the correct date.  i think any checks microsoft implemented kind of went into affect in 09/2009, and now newer checks are being implemented with the kinect dash.

also, all new games show up on wavespatcher as wave4, not any of the newer 5,6 or 7 waves.  i guess wavespatcher hasn't been updated in a while to show newer waves other than 4 and below.

Yeah i get

Last Played
01/01/1753

on Fable 3 aswell, could just be the console dates since i don't go online and i've not set the time/date on it. My borderlands has the correct date though when i play on my slim which is:

Last Played
23/10/2010

Can't comment on the wavepatcher as i don't use it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[funksoulbrother]

QUOTE(kneehighspy @ Oct 31 2010, 12:59 AM)

yeah same here, but check on live.xbox.com under 'games you've played' and see if any newer games you've played show up as last played on 1/1/1753.  all my newer games do, and the last title that shows up played as a correct date was back in 9/2009.  all xbla games show up as the correct date.  i think any checks microsoft implemented kind of went into affect in 09/2009, and now newer checks are being implemented with the kinect dash.

also, all new games show up on wavespatcher as wave4, not any of the newer 5,6 or 7 waves.  i guess wavespatcher hasn't been updated in a while to show newer waves other than 4 and below.

1/1/1753 is the earliest date allowed in SQL Server. Sometimes when the value is NULL, it changes it to 1/1/1753. I think it's just a bug in the way dates are displayed for games that have only been played offline, as the date should be displayed as "Never". It's happened in the past with achievements earned offline displaying that date instead of saying "Acquired". I can find threads on other forums going back before 09/2009 talking about it and I don't think it's a sign of any new checks being implemented in 2009.

On Xbox.com, all of the games I've played while connected to Live have correct "Last played" date stamps going back as far as 26/12/2007. Any games that have only been played offline have date stamps of 1/1/1753 when it should say "Never".

This post has been edited by funksoulbrother: Oct 31 2010, 01:38 AM

[TouchyFlea]

QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 31 2010, 02:31 AM)

1/1/1753 is the earliest date allowed in SQL Server. Sometimes when the value is NULL, it changes it to 1/1/1753. I think it's just a bug in the way dates are displayed for games that have only been played offline, as the date should be displayed as "Never". It's happened in the past with achievements earned offline displaying that date instead of saying "Acquired". I can find threads on other forums going back before 09/2009 talking about it and I don't think it's a sign of any new checks being implemented in 2009.

On Xbox.com, all of the games I've played have correct "Last played" date stamps going back as far as 26/12/2007. Any games that have only been played offline have date stamps of 1/1/1753 when it should say "Never".

Yeah sounds right only games i've played offline show that date all the rest which are played online using my slim are fine, for a while the game didn't show a date at all for last played.

They should fix it though looks stupid!

This post has been edited by TouchyFlea: Oct 31 2010, 01:39 AM

[prozac4312]

So if I'm on LT1.1 and I've never tried to boot Fable 3, am I safe(ish)? Should I go back to stock until LT+ is released?

[MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3]

QUOTE(col12 @ Oct 30 2010, 04:43 PM)

time to sell up buy a slim and wait for lt+ ive got an elite that hasnt been touched black ops should keep me busy until the doctor releases lt+

thats exactly what M$ wants you to do, more $$$ for them

screw that

nobody even knows how LT+ will work with Slim yet and i would be suspicious of c4eva if it only works for Slim but not older 360s (Benq, Samsung, Liteon)

[funksoulbrother]

QUOTE(prozac4312 @ Oct 31 2010, 01:54 AM)

So if I'm on LT1.1 and I've never tried to boot Fable 3, am I safe(ish)? Should I go back to stock until LT+ is released?

Booting an affecting game seems to be the trigger. There's no current way of knowing which new releases are affected without trying to boot them though (that I'm aware of anyway), and that will flag your machine.

As for playing older titles, are they even safe? When Xorloser talked about AP2.5 being found in FIFA 09, it wasn't present in the game until an update was downloaded for it, then the media type changed. Taken from his blog: -

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I noticed the other day that when FIFA’09 for Xbox360 is patched with the latest update, the flags that specify what media the game is allowed to run from have changed. Originally it was allowed to boot from a standard original Xbox360 disc, however now it is only allowed to boot from a new media type which is basically an updated version of the original Xbox360 disc type.

Those who have ever looked into the depths of the Xbox360 disc authentication scheme know that a “new” type of disc authentication has been in the works since the Xbox360 was released. It is known as the AntiPiracy v2.5 checks, or AP2.5. Is this FIFA’09 patch a sign that AP2.5 is finally going to see the light of day? If so then the ban hammer is going to come down hard. Don’t say I didn’t warn you

Does that mean that this protection can be added to older games via patches? Pure speculation by me of course, but personally if my console wasn't flagged already, I would flash it back to stock and stick with originals for the time being until we know more.

[funksoulbrother]

QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 31 2010, 02:03 AM)

thats exactly what M$ wants you to do, more $$$ for them

These theories are silly, as are most of your posts to be honest.

Obviously, every single poster on Xbox-Scene is only playing backups of games that they've bought, but many people buy a console and flash it, then they don't buy games. If they get hit by a ban, they go out and buy another console to flash, then they carry on doing what they were doing. They do this because it's cheaper for them in the long run, and "cheaper for them" means they're spending less money, which means that's less money going into Microsoft's pockets. MS would rather people bought a console, didn't flash it, and bought all their games legitimately. That's what this protection is all about, not some silly conspiracy theory where "they get more money" or "they just want to say they sold more consoles at Christmas".

Fable 3 won't boot at all on most flashed consoles with the Kinect dash. I would imagine that soon, all new games will be this way. If MS actually wanted to encourage people to flash their consoles so they could ban them and sell them another one, then making it so that games won't boot at all on flashed consoles really isn't the way to do it!

Besides, these silly conspiracy theories have been around for years, even when MS were selling the 360 at a loss. LOL.

[MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3]

QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 30 2010, 06:23 PM)

These theories are silly, as are most of your posts to be honest.

Obviously, every single poster on Xbox-Scene is only playing backups of games that they've bought, but many people buy a console and flash it, then they don't buy games. If they get hit by a ban, they go out and buy another console to flash, then they carry on doing what they were doing. They do this because it's cheaper for them in the long run, and "cheaper for them" means they're spending less money, which means that's less money going into Microsoft's pockets. MS would rather people bought a console, didn't flash it, and bought all their games legitimately. That's what this protection is all about, not some silly conspiracy theory where "they get more money" or "they just want to say they sold more consoles at Christmas".

Fable 3 won't boot at all on most flashed consoles with the Kinect dash. I would imagine that soon, all new games will be this way. If MS actually wanted to encourage people to flash their consoles so they could ban them and sell them another one, then making it so that games won't boot at all on flashed consoles really isn't the way to do it!

Besides, these silly conspiracy theories have been around for years, even when MS were selling the 360 at a loss. LOL.

The banned 360 consoles never ban the live accounts which allows people to re-use those accounts on new system, if Microsoft really wanted to stop these users they would ban the live users or credit cards associated with it

1 million banned last year http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696

i was here last year and i got banned, people rushed out and bought a new console after they got banned

its not a conspiracy theory its fact that Microsoft benefits financially from these bannings each year as it pushes more console sales but will it work this year if newer games don't even work

This post has been edited by MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3: Oct 31 2010, 02:35 AM

[booker21]

hmm like someone asked before, it`s not possible to remove the Dashboard update from new games ?

[MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3]

PS3 modding you can't get online at all (Well sorta)

Sony doesn't require a fee to play online so they lose nothing with that setup

Microsoft gets $40-60 from people playing online so thats a large chunk of change if they were to lose those users be it the modding community or regular users, if they really wanted they could stop users from going online but they don't because it wouldn't benefit them