Topic: C4E Confirms New AP2.5 Checks on New Dashboard with New Games (Read 2800 times)

MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 · « **Reply #75 on:** October 30, 2010, 03:32:00 PM »

QUOTE(bludd @ Oct 30 2010, 01:06 PM)

So if microsoft doesn't force a dashboard upgrade, people could use offline consoles with old versions of the dashboard to still play "new" games like fable 3 now?

newer games have dashboard built in so unless there's a way to remove that and then burn the .iso?

Chob · « **Reply #76 on:** October 30, 2010, 03:40:00 PM »

QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 30 2010, 10:32 PM)

newer games have dashboard built in so unless there's a way to remove that and then burn the .iso?

If new games had the dashboard update, fable 3 wouldn't be released.....

Aldanga · « **Reply #77 on:** October 30, 2010, 03:42:00 PM »

Microsoft does eventually include the new dashboard update in games that are released. It's generally not as soon as the update is released, but usually several months down the line. That is why there are different wave versions.

As for removing/rolling back the update on the discs: that's entirely possible.

MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 · « **Reply #78 on:** October 30, 2010, 03:42:00 PM »

QUOTE(Chob @ Oct 30 2010, 02:40 PM)

If new games had the dashboard update, fable 3 wouldn't be released.....

I meant future games will have the newer kinect dashboard on them and is it possible to remove that update from the .iso? Of course the content of the disk would change so online would no longer be possible but its better than not playing at all

Chob · « **Reply #79 on:** October 30, 2010, 03:48:00 PM »

QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 30 2010, 10:42 PM)

I meant future games will have the newer kinect dashboard on them and is it possible to remove that update from the .iso? Of course the content of the disk would change so online would no longer be possible but its better than not playing at all

Yes, just open the iso and Remove $Systemupdate folder, but not recommended for live, though

prozac4312 · « **Reply #80 on:** October 30, 2010, 03:59:00 PM »

There's a lot of jargon in that transcript that I don't understand...can someone tell me whether or not I'm safe on a 74850c Lite-On with iXtreme LT 1.1?

xbox360sexual · « **Reply #81 on:** October 30, 2010, 04:00:00 PM »

Yeah, you can change 'waves', but if MS are clever they'll make it so new games require a component of the new dashboard etc.

DaShiZNiT · « **Reply #82 on:** October 30, 2010, 04:02:00 PM »

If you were going to risk playing it online, you would have the newest dashboard, and it wouldn't boot no matter what you did to the .iso. Making your point moot.

Obviously if LT+ can overcome these checks it will be the way to go for people that cannot go without live.

sidneysides · « **Reply #83 on:** October 30, 2010, 04:08:00 PM »

QUOTE(krawhitham @ Oct 30 2010, 07:37 PM)

This is going to a gigantic ban wave.

The new checks were 1st found in Fifa 09 on 21 April 2009, one would think every game since then had these checks but continues to run even it the checks failed. This was done to gather information. Now with the new Fable game & Dashboard they have started to block games that fail the checks.

So they have been gathering info and users for the a ban wave since April of 09

gigantic might be an gigantic understatement

But I have been playing loads of backups since then with LT FW and xval shows up as clean? If FIFA etc had led to a failed AP25 check on my machine, then I would get that in xval

Haygar · « **Reply #84 on:** October 30, 2010, 04:09:00 PM »

QUOTE(Aldanga @ Oct 31 2010, 08:42 AM)

Microsoft does eventually include the new dashboard update in games that are released. It's generally not as soon as the update is released, but usually several months down the line. That is why there are different wave versions.

As for removing/rolling back the update on the discs: that's entirely possible.

QUOTE

I meant future games will have the newer kinect dashboard on them and is it possible to remove that update from the .iso? Of course the content of the disk would change so online would no longer be possible but its better than not playing at all

Yes, just open the iso and Remove $Systemupdate folder, but not recommended for live, though

Is it possible? Idk about that, I know it's fine to do it with a jtag but a non-jtag will throw up a "your console needs an update to play this game" or something like that. Unless the default.xex can be patched, but then doesn't this break the signing of the game?

MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 · « **Reply #85 on:** October 30, 2010, 04:09:00 PM »

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 30 2010, 03:00 PM)

Yeah, you can change 'waves', but if MS are clever they'll make it so new games require a component of the new dashboard etc.

Like PS3 does with modding

xbox360sexual · « **Reply #86 on:** October 30, 2010, 04:10:00 PM »

QUOTE(DaShiZNiT @ Oct 30 2010, 11:02 PM)

If you were going to risk playing it online, you would have the newest dashboard, and it wouldn't boot no matter what you did to the .iso. Making your point moot.

Are you talking to me? My point is valid if so, if they made it so future games required the latest dashboard and AP2.5 wasn't overcome then it would be game over for most people.

QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 30 2010, 11:09 PM)

Like PS3 does with modding IPB Image

Yep exactly.

sunfy8 · « **Reply #87 on:** October 30, 2010, 04:18:00 PM »

QUOTE(iwanttheagrocrag @ Oct 30 2010, 07:26 PM)

Its hammer time, have fun everyone!!!

for me,
1. not joining the live
2. dropping my gold membership
3. and 100% not buying the new motion thingy.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

djkneegrow · « **Reply #88 on:** October 30, 2010, 05:04:00 PM »

QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 30 2010, 12:02 PM)

To the guys asking about non-stealth firmware, it makes no difference. You'll still be flagged if you try and boot Fable III. I had iXtreme 1.6 non-stealth installed when I started this topic: -

http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=722674

I'm not worried about my offline system being flagged. I am wondering if the nonstealth firmware will play the new games with the new dashboard or if they will not load. Some newer game is going to end up making your system update to the new dashboard just like when the last new dashboard came out, so that is why I am wondering. Just didn't know if nonstealth will have a problem booting with the new dashboard or not.

funksoulbrother · « **Reply #89 on:** October 30, 2010, 05:16:00 PM »

QUOTE(djkneegrow @ Oct 31 2010, 12:04 AM)

I'm not worried about my offline system being flagged. I am wondering if the nonstealth firmware will play the new games with the new dashboard or if they will not load. Some newer game is going to end up making your system update to the new dashboard just like when the last new dashboard came out, so that is why I am wondering. Just didn't know if nonstealth will have a problem booting with the new dashboard or not.

Non-stealth firmware makes no difference with the Kinect dashboard. Fable 3 won't boot on it and if you try and boot it, your console is flagged and you can no longer swap your gamertag between consoles. I can confirm that 100%.

Does anyone know how we can identify games that are affected by AP2.5? Obviously, if you try and boot it and it says "This disc is unreadable" that's possibly a good sign, but there needs to be a way to identify them before they're booted. Is there a way?

This post has been edited by funksoulbrother: Oct 31 2010, 12:17 AM

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