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[funksoulbrother]

QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 31 2010, 02:33 AM)

The banned 360 consoles never ban the live accounts which allows people to re-use those accounts on new system, if Microsoft really wanted to stop these users they would ban the live users or credit cards associated with it

1 million banned last year http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696

i was here last year and i got banned, people rushed out and bought a new console after they got banned

its not a conspiracy theory its fact that Microsoft benefits financially from these bannings each year as it pushes more console sales but will it work this year if newer games don't even work

First off, there's is no proof that MS banned 1 million consoles last year. In fact, they categorically denied it.

The original source for that figure was a blog, where an anonymous individual posted that his anonymous friend, who works in the MS call center, had been told to push for 1 million bans. This story was then picked up by other sites and it filtered its way through to the mainstream media, who didn't cite the original source (and that includes the article you linked to).

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Filipino blog Pinoy Cosplay reports that "a friend who works for a call center that handles an Xbox 360 account" has received instructions from Microsoft to -- get this -- "push for a million banned accounts by the time the holidays are over."

Of course, you can choose to believe anonymous guy whose anonymous friend works in the call centre, but then ask yourself this - Why would MS tell call centre staff to "push for 1 million bans"? Explain to me how a call centre worker can ban people.

Your other argument is that MS don't ban accounts as well as consoles because they want people to use their account on a new system, which they can ban again, and so on. This is utter nonsense as well, as if they did ban accounts as well as consoles, people would pay MS more money to get a new Xbox Live Gold account as well as buying a new console.

It's clear that you're one of those people that has some kind of grievance with Microsoft, and that's why you chose the name MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3. You've already posted utter nonsense in the other thread, saying that this dashboard update stops you playing ALL backups and that it flashes your 360 back to stock firmware, LOL. If only you would just go and buy a PS3 and leave these threads alone, because you have contributed nothing to them apart from misinformation.

[MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3]

QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 30 2010, 06:57 PM)

First off, there's is no proof that MS banned 1 million consoles last year. In fact, they categorically denied it.

They can say whatever they want from whats really going on

Example: They were sued by Datel for disabling 3rd party usb devices http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/61367 but Microsoft claimed otherwise and a few months after being sued by Datel they enabled generic USB thumb drives as hard-drives for 360 when it was closed off before...so thanks Datel but Microsoft will not admit to this being the cause of them opening up the USB.

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The original source for that figure was a blog, where an anonymous individual posted that his anonymous friend, who works in the MS call center, had been told to push for 1 million bans. This story was then picked up by other sites and it filtered its way through to the mainstream media, who didn't cite the original source (and that includes the article you linked to).
Of course, you can choose to believe anonymous guy whose anonymous friend works in the call centre, but then ask yourself this - Why would MS tell call centre staff to "push for 1 million bans"? Explain to me how a call centre worker can ban people.

If thats true it shows how poor Mainstream media is in reporting even coming from Microsofts own news site

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-11-12/tech/cnet.xbox.live.ban_1_banned-modern-warfare-informationweek?_s=PM:TECH

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Your other argument is that MS don't ban accounts as well as consoles because they want people to use their account on a new system, which they can ban again, and so on. This is utter nonsense as well, as if they did ban accounts as well as consoles, people would pay MS more money to get a new Xbox Live Gold account as well as buying a new console.

I wasn't banned on xbox live yet my console was banned for modding, my 2 friends same scenario.  Majority of posts i see of bannings mention their xbox live account still works yet their console does not.  

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It's clear that you're one of those people that has some kind of grievance with Microsoft, and that's why you chose the name MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3. You've already posted utter nonsense in the other thread, saying that this dashboard update stops you playing ALL backups and that it flashes your 360 back to stock firmware, LOL. If only you would just go and buy a PS3 and leave these threads alone, because you have contributed nothing to them apart from misinformation.

I indicated it was a rumor in that post and posted a link to where i found that rumor or information

That information isn't far from the truth of whats going on now

[brandogg]

How can anyone be legitimately upset with Microsoft for doing what they've done? By playing backup games for the past year, everyone has essentially been helping them implement AP2.5 (or so it seems). Piracy is piracy - it doesn't matter if there's a huge chunk of people here that legitimately backup their own games, because there's an ever bigger chunk of people that simply download games that they don't own.

And MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 - Microsoft has nothing to do with CNN, you're completely mistaken there. CNN is a cable news network (hence the initials) owned by Turner Broadcasting System, inc. You might be thinking of MSNBC, but Microsoft doesn't own them either, it's a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC...and it's not CNN. Also, CNN doesn't link to any sources in their article. You should quit now while you're behind.

[MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3]

QUOTE(brandogg @ Oct 30 2010, 07:38 PM)

How can anyone be legitimately upset with Microsoft for doing what they've done? By playing backup games for the past year, everyone has essentially been helping them implement AP2.5 (or so it seems). Piracy is piracy - it doesn't matter if there's a huge chunk of people here that legitimately backup their own games, because there's an ever bigger chunk of people that simply download games that they don't own.

And MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 - Microsoft has nothing to do with CNN, you're completely mistaken there. CNN is a cable news network (hence the initials) owned by Turner Broadcasting System, inc. You might be thinking of MSNBC, but Microsoft doesn't own them either, it's a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC...and it's not CNN. Also, CNN doesn't link to any sources in their article. You should quit now while you're behind.

the first link i posted was from MSNBC, microsofts news site http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696

[Trunkzeh]

1. M$ pretty much stopped 3rd party USB devices from being used, due to the rampant achievement / save cheats that were and still are used today.

2. CNN is owned by Time-Warner and not MS.

3. What you're posting is not information, but figments of your imagination that you use to justify your MS conspiracy theories.

Just give it up already, and get a PS3

[loggio]

MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3

what the hell does anything your saying have to do with this thread?

Who cares what they're intentions are, they're a multibillion dollar organisation... They know how to make money.

I hardly think they care about banning people/consoles.

Ever think they offer anti piracy protection in order to help the GAME DEVELOPERS sell their products? It's a way to keep everyone in the industry happy, gives them all a big happy warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing that they can continue to make games and profit from them knowing that the companies they're developing their games for offer 'great' protection against piracy.

and bla bla bla, enough of this crappy political/marketing talk. This aint business management class of 2010

[ibbi]

It's official. Dashboard update coming this Monday, November the first.

[MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3]

QUOTE(Trunkzeh @ Oct 30 2010, 07:44 PM)

1. M$ pretty much stopped 3rd party USB devices from being used, due to the rampant achievement / save cheats that were and still are used today.

2. CNN is owned by Time-Warner and not MS.

3. What you're posting is not information, but figments of your imagination that you use to justify your MS conspiracy theories.

Just give it up already, and get a PS3

1.  They practically enabled any usb thumb drive to work after Datel sued them for Monopoly of disabling Datels usb memory drives as they were being sold for 1/2 the price and double the memory capacity

2. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696

3. whatever

i own a ps3 but i didn't at the time i made this account when i got banned last year, i also own a 360 obviously

QUOTE(ibbi @ Oct 30 2010, 07:49 PM)

It's official. Dashboard update coming this Monday, November the first.

http://www.examiner.com/console-game-in-st-louis/new-xbox-360-dashboard-on-november-1st

[djkneegrow]

Okay so I do understand what is being said about swapping gamertag out and all the Fable 3 stuff. I personally have a flashed system and a non flashed system. I do not swap my gamertag between the systems. I use a gamertag for online with my non flashed system and a separate one for offline play so that I don't run into the problem of corrupt gamertag from swapping from one system to another. All I want to know is having nonstealth on the flashed system and what effect the new dashboard could, or does, have with the games for it.

QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 30 2010, 08:23 PM)

These theories are silly, as are most of your posts to be honest.

Obviously, every single poster on Xbox-Scene is only playing backups of games that they've bought, but many people buy a console and flash it, then they don't buy games. If they get hit by a ban, they go out and buy another console to flash, then they carry on doing what they were doing. They do this because it's cheaper for them in the long run, and "cheaper for them" means they're spending less money, which means that's less money going into Microsoft's pockets. MS would rather people bought a console, didn't flash it, and bought all their games legitimately. That's what this protection is all about, not some silly conspiracy theory where "they get more money" or "they just want to say they sold more consoles at Christmas".

Fable 3 won't boot at all on most flashed consoles with the Kinect dash. I would imagine that soon, all new games will be this way. If MS actually wanted to encourage people to flash their consoles so they could ban them and sell them another one, then making it so that games won't boot at all on flashed consoles really isn't the way to do it!

Besides, these silly conspiracy theories have been around for years, even when MS were selling the 360 at a loss. LOL.

I totally agree and this makes so much more sense than M$ trying to force peeps to buy a system to up numbers. It isn't cost effective for M$ to ban people so that they go buy another system. Not everyone would go buy another system and those people might end up buying a PS3 instead which isn't helping M$ at all. Also banning a system runs the risk of someone not renewing their live account which does go as a loss to M$ compared to selling a system. Banning a system means a good chance of loss of money from live subscriptions and M$ point purchases.

[supersonic124]

This ap check also seems to affect JTAGs as well. Fable 3 won't boot from the internal (MS) hd unless you put it in a GOD container.

[Maximize]

QUOTE(supersonic124 @ Oct 30 2010, 11:11 PM)

This ap check also seems to affect JTAGs as well. Fable 3 won't boot from the internal (MS) hd unless you put it in a GOD container.

please explain?


do you have new update (fall2010) on jtag console

[Trunkzeh]

QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 31 2010, 02:54 AM)

1.  They practically enabled any usb thumb drive to work after Datel sued them for Monopoly of disabling Datels usb memory drives as they were being sold for 1/2 the price and double the memory capacity

2. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696

3. whatever

i own a ps3 but i didn't at the time i made this account when i got banned last year, i also own a 360 obviously
http://www.examiner.com/console-game-in-st-louis/new-xbox-360-dashboard-on-november-1st

* sigh *

1. Again, you're just confirming that MS enabled the use of USB drives after Datel sued them. Your initial point hinges on the fact that they are trying to create a monopoly, and not the blatant cheats on XBL.

2. If you have bothered to read that link you're so eager to supply, you'd understand two things. Firstly, no where in that post does it indicate that MS (or a source from MS) has told the writer of the article that MS will be banning said number of users. What MS is quoted as saying, is effectively anyone who is caught playing backups, and thus violating the ToS, is banned off XBL. The second point is, MSNBC is a joint venture, as rightfully said by a prior member on here, and if MS was truly incharge then they would have got their 'facts right' as you so pleasantly put it.

To summarise, you're having a little fit that there is now the possibility that your offline hacked console will not be able to play the newest games due to AP checks, and instead of going out there and buying games, and supporting the developers, you instead chose to throw out wild claims & allegations on MS.

[loggio]

Makes me wonder...

If the challenges are 'infinite' wouldn't it be easier for MS just to dish out to everyone using the kinnect dash their own seperate unique ap25 checks... that way Modified FW would be useless, because everyone would need their own unique Ixtreme fw to tackle their unique responses.

(I HOPE TO GOD I'M COMPLETELY WRONG FOR EVERYONES SAKE)

[Maximize]

yeah your wrong

[loggio]

QUOTE(Maximize @ Oct 31 2010, 05:16 AM)

yeah your wrong

lol awesome.