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[JaseSX]

id wait for someone game enough to try first

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QUOTE(C.Troy @ Oct 28 2010, 09:27 AM)

what happens if newer games like black ops boot with no problem with the latest dash and fable 3 continues to be the only game?

What happens, is that MS quickly implement the same technique used onf Fable 3 on everything else from now on !

[sieco187]

Was doing some research and found something intresting to read

Link of original post: Link

"iXtreme 1.6 0800 firmware BenQ, LiteOn, Samsung Team HyperX
>> A 0800 (ripping version) of the 1.6 series has been released to the BenQ, LiteOn and Toshiba Samsung drives. As usual Hitachi will be last to follow (if at all supported for 0800 mode)
Features:
-Common API designed for easier application use!
-Support for SS V2!
-Direct 0800 mode for game dumping including SS v2!

This firmware is =NOT FOR USE IN A CONSOLE= and is provided
with the intended use of being in a dedicated "ripping" drive.

This means:
a. Does not need your DVD key,
b. Does not need spoofing as another drive,
c. Does not need to use the tray half open and
d. Does not need to use the activate.iso to use this firmware on the pc.

More Info

SS v2 supports multiple timing samples for challenges type 5 and 7, storing them in the SS. This is a pre-requisite for SS v3 which has support for the so called AP2.5 check. Since this has never been used or may never be used by MS we will adopt a wait and see approach and continue to monitor for its usage.

ix16 0800 Commands
-----------------
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 00 C0 - SS/CPRMAI
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 ID C0 - SS Challenge ID
12 00 00 00 30 C0 00 00 00 49 58 01 - ix Cmd 1 - Dumps key and rev 0x30 bytes
12 00 00 00 24 C0 00 xx xx 49 58 02 - ix Cmd 2 - Output 0x800 bytes from ram address
12 00 00 00 24 C0 00 00 00 49 58 03 - ix Cmd 3 - Toggles Lock/UnLock Game partition

Official Site: (n/a by Team HyperX)
Download: n/a (May be Illegal under EULA/DMCA)
News-Source: xbins.org
Discuss this news item on our forums: forums.xbox-scene.com"

*The most interesting part is what I put in bold. If SSV3 does indeed mean AP2.5 then no current rip or drive will give a working "non banning" backup. There will need to be a new 0800 firmware (or new korean firmware for that matter) that looks for SSV3 and that would be the reason no one is able to see the difference between the new discs and the old is because we simply cant read the new security sector data. Also this could possibly mean that there maybe nothing wrong with our current firmware because these checks are already in place and will give the correct challenge response to the fall 2010 dash

*Also on another note I saw this post by p4r0l3
"If you are going to test Fable3 on an online console with the latest dash, do yourself a favor and solder up an lpt/usb flasher and dump your flash before you try.

That way, when your XVal is flagged you can reflash your NAND before taking the console back online.

Better yet, stay away from Fable3 AND the new dashboard updates."

I dont own any jtagable 360's so have never done a Jtag on one. Is it in fact possible to read and dump the NAND on a Jasper with 9199 dash, then should you get banned write the clean NAND dump back and effectively un-ban your console? Will this work on any console and dash version? I ask this because I can not find any concrete evidence of this on any Google searches so sorry if this is a known fact. And last question if it is possible can I use any Jtag tutorial and follow all the steps minus the SMC-JTAG wires?


Thanks!  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Edit:
One more note to make is that as some people have already stated that those with early DVD drive (and not those that spoof older drives as newer) may have nothing to worry about because the hardware and or OEM firmware may not be able to read these SSV3 sectors at all. Also those with backups of games made within the last year with SSV1 patching may find themselves being banned since SSV2 is a prerequisite for AP2.5. Anyone want to be a guinea pig and try a recent backup with SSV1 and the new dash and report what your SEC comes back as?

This post has been edited by sieco187: Oct 28 2010, 10:40 AM

[rafinhalive]

Do u guys remember when fifa 09 came out?  The same thing happen, AP2.5 was there, and tons of people got banned playing fifa 09 online even with the corret stealth and SS.

Like sieco187 said, the problem has to be the disc ripping.

And after all the talk and guessing, i have one question.

How can M$ detect the custom fw, if the challenge/response and all the features work exactly as the original fw?

Again, maybe the way discs are ripped must be changed ?

well, at least dark november is already on the corner lol. answers soon.

[Zomah]

Its not only the disc, the firmware also have to emulate the challenge/response times for the AP2.5

[xbox360sexual]

Yes, yes, we get it. New dash & Fable III have checks that work with each other.

Now if only C4E or whoever would comment on events...

[Ryushi]

so people that got LT and installed the new dash update got fucked up? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)

This post has been edited by Ryushi: Oct 28 2010, 02:17 PM

[inkdmn]

ok well i have read thru every single post here..and there is some very good info..and some not so good info..i know alot of forums on alot of sites are pointing everyone towards this one..so litterly thousands are looking to this thread for answers on what to do what not to do..as i was one of those people..
  so one thing that has not been discussed very clearly tho it is obvious for most is options"what to do now at the moment" i know for most i am stating the obvious..
but intell more info and test can be done here is the obvious.

either 1. accept the update and stay clear of fable 3(unless retail)and any future releases
 2.dont update and lose live and kinect ability & still be able to play all past and future backups(offline)
 3.(for those that 1 unmodded on live & 1 modded offline) update your online one but dont ever put your harddrive from your modded console in it..

if anyone can think of any other options please state them...as thats what this really boils down too is what to do..right..

Drive: sammy
Firmware: LT 1.1
JTAG : No
Slim : No
Dashboard: 2.0.9199.0
Officially in beta: no
Fable 3 working: works fine..online & off
xval..secdata clean

This post has been edited by inkdmn: Oct 28 2010, 03:02 PM

[Zomah]

Why do people who dont have the new dashboard keep posting in here, makes no sense at all.

[Takashi]

Exactly.

[inkdmn]

QUOTE(Zomah @ Oct 28 2010, 09:28 AM)

Why do people who dont have the new dashboard keep posting in here, makes no sense at all.

so what your saying the thousands of people who have yet to update and are looking to this thread from outside this forum..for answers as to where they stand have no rights...
as i see it it  is gonna be these people that have yet to update and that are waiting for the official are gonna be the ones bringing the answers..

.as for the ones that forced updated have already figured out they screwed themselves along with fable 3..its too late for them...but umteen thousand people havent and are waiting to see..as also this info is gonna benefit us more than you

This post has been edited by inkdmn: Oct 28 2010, 03:05 PM

[S934T88234L]

QUOTE(sieco187 @ Oct 28 2010, 10:19 AM)

*Also on another note I saw this post by p4r0l3
"If you are going to test Fable3 on an online console with the latest dash, do yourself a favor and solder up an lpt/usb flasher and dump your flash before you try.

That way, when your XVal is flagged you can reflash your NAND before taking the console back online.

Better yet, stay away from Fable3 AND the new dashboard updates."

I dont own any jtagable 360's so have never done a Jtag on one. Is it in fact possible to read and dump the NAND on a Jasper with 9199 dash, then should you get banned write the clean NAND dump back and effectively un-ban your console? Will this work on any console and dash version? I ask this because I can not find any concrete evidence of this on any Google searches so sorry if this is a known fact. And last question if it is possible can I use any Jtag tutorial and follow all the steps minus the SMC-JTAG wires?
Thanks!  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Yes, it is possible to read and dump the NAND on the 9199. And yes, you can follow the JTAG tutorial sans JTAG wires to go about doing it. In theory, it's actually somewhat of a good idea. That said, I'm sure these AP 2.5 checks aren't the only thing Microsoft are doing in their effort to combat piracy so there are probably other factors that could be involved to possibly get you banned/revoked server side. I don't know, and I'm sure most don't. In case anyone else is interested here are a few more possibilities for X Value events.

Console Serial length incorrect!
Console Serial is wrong!
Encrypted X Value length incorrect!
Encrypted X Value is wrong!
Secdata is Clean
Secdata is invalid
Secdata decryption error
Failed AP25 Challenge
Tampered AP25 Table
Reverted AP25 Table
Invalid DVD Geometry
Invalid DVD DMI
DVD Keyvault Pair Mismatch
Invalid CRL Data
CRL Certificate Revoked
Unauthorized Install
Keyvault Policy Violation
Console Banned
ODD Violation
Unknown Violation(s)

This post has been edited by S934T88234L: Oct 28 2010, 02:52 PM

[xbox360sexual]

How the hell did Redline99 (xval2.0 creator) know what the values meant? Insider info?

[JaseSX]

Indications so far are pointing to

If update new dash in november = Old games should be fine / New release games fable 3 onwards = no no ( remember this is not certain for any means)

But again best to wait for update and see whos saying what, there is really nothing in concrete as to what will happen but this is what it is looking like.

Although it is all speculation backed with SOME evidence. The real deal is, its that time of year, by far the biggest retail selling period of the year and Microsoft want their share, thats why it happens at this period on the calendar. It would be foolish for microsoft not to take any means, and foolish to think they wont. Fact is its all about the $, its smart to hand out the bans/flag xbox' now when people have money and retail gifts on their mind to greatly maximise profit to its full potential.

This post has been edited by JaseSX: Oct 28 2010, 03:15 PM

[S934T88234L]

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 28 2010, 02:57 PM)

How the hell did Redline99 (xval2.0 creator) know what the values meant? Insider info?

Redline99 is one intelligent guy. especially when it comes to cryptography.