I'm a huge supporter of many devs from many scenes including C4eva and am a regular in the official #fw channel on efnet. Between C4eva and GaryOPA they are the only two who currently have contributed modified fw for free for us to boot our backups on the xbox 360 and save our originals from defects or used for other means. There are hundreds probably thousands of people offering modding services who are making money flashing his fw and even all the end users such as myself are saving money by being able to boot backups and save their originals from damage, try games before purchase (no rental fees), or full out pirating and not paying for games period. C4eva makes all this possible and I'm sure like a lot of us, he has bills to pay including materials to test and develop the fw he produces. Anyone with common sense can see that is what was trying to be accomplished with all the recent activity as when they first tried to pull this off with the foundmy incident and then after announcing LT was finished development over 6 weeks of delay had passed and then encrypted LT releases start popping up for sale with no official word from the team. Then after a few days a certain individual cracks the encryption and posts the results which seems to be a legit copy of ixtreme lt. Only after the encryption had been cracked and the release distributed did team jungle's twitter get updated with a status of ixtreme lt is about to release for free which leads me to believe the plan was always to release to the general public for free which they stated numerous times since the start of development but to gain some revenue they would first sell to resellers and give them a head start on sales (which they would claim was a leaked copy) and stall the official release until encryption was cracked, resellers made their quota, or couldn't hold up release any longer. This of course is all speculation (especially my thoughts on what their plans were) and my common sense at work and even if my assumptions are correct I wouldn't even hold it against them as they should be rewarded for their efforts since every other user who uses their work is gaining financially from it as I stated at the beginning of this post. C4eva and Team Jungle wouldn't even have to go this route (if my assumptions are correct that is) if more people would 'pony up' and donate now and again, I'm sure some donate but I would be shocked to see 1 out of 10 users donated to them as I am sure it is much much lower than that. Voluntary donations are obviously not paying the bills and forced donations is just asking for trouble since it would basically be selling microsoft copyrighted code which is essentially what this whole current incident is except its a lot safer since they can do it through resellers and through different people and claim knowing nothing and it being a leak. The thing I worry about though is microsoft started 'possibly' detecting the firmware itself because of additional code and response time and I'm sure encrypting the fw can't help matters of being fully self and now I'm more concerned for the free public release as if they had a perfect finished product that resellers had and now they are claiming its unfinished they are obviously going to need to change/add to it so when it drops people can't compare the two and say hey whats going on, that was the finished product. Anyways this lengthy post is just my own observations and thoughts on the whole situation and a lot of it isn't factual but speculation but people need to give credit where its due and C4eva and others have been there for us since day one and I strongly believe they deserve to be rewarded more than any other user for their efforts and if users don't like lengthy delays or these type of incidents maybe more people should consider giving more 'voluntary' donations even if its only a buck or two, there are thousands of us and if even if only 1/3 users donated it would certainly add up and actually financially show them their work is truly appreciated and there is no need to attempt other methods for financial compensation that could possibly get them into hot water. The official iXtreme LT release is nearing and I for one love the scene and will be putting this whole incident behind me and will help contribute more and show my appreciation for their work both vocally and financially. Thanks guys.