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[saso]

QUOTE(Odb718 @ Jan 13 2010, 10:29 AM)

Back ups on live is good, XBR is better.

i agree

who cares about fucking LT(LongTime waiting for shit) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[astrosaber3]

QUOTE(Mr_Milenko @ Jan 13 2010, 09:19 AM)

All the children on this forum need to realise, Microsoft is a multibillion dollar company.. They pay people six figure salaries to thwart shit like this, The only reason the firmware worked in the past was because they let it work, get it through your heads.. You will get caught, Your xbox will get banned, You will be S.O.L. Get over it it was fun while it lasted.
I lol'ed

Agreed!

People need to realize M$ designed/developed the 360.  They know how to poll the DVD drive and read the firmware.  

Think about it, you can download a simple utility for Win XP that "polls" your PCs DVD/CD drive and reveals the firmware rev and everything else about the PC's DCD/CD sata drive.  How is the 360 different?  M$ contracts venders to make the drive for them, as a custom built drive, M$ tells the manufacture what op-codes to use.

50 lines of assember code in the kernel can poll the 360 drive to read the vender code, once the vender is known, read 0x0045601.  If return 0Ah, this is untouched f/w, exit.  If return <> 0Ah, firmware is modified and jump to 0x0069696 to flag console as "modified".  All M$ will do is compare original firmware vs hacked (any version) and if one byte is data is different, tag the console for ban.

Every DVD drive from the different manufacturers would have different data in the same hex address, that's why the drive is polled to find out the vender first.  What, we have 4 or 5 different manufactures of drives so far?

Spoofing specific data ranges has been done for years and years with the satellite hackers.  Every attempt to spoof the data has failed in the long run.  The only people that survived the hit  from the satellite providers were the people that custom spoofed using different memory ranges to hide their hacked code.

Why has certain unstealthed versions of f/w remain off M$ radar and not been banned?  Unstealthed modified firmware has hardly any code changes from the original firmware for one - this could be one reason.  Another reason could be M$ just screwing with us purposly not banning this specific firmware to throw us off trying to figure out what cryteria/method is being used to detect modded f/w.

Unfortunally I see the new liton LT getting hit just like the other firmwares.  Remember the DVD drive firmware can be polled and any address from 0x00000000 to 0xFFFFFFFF can be read.  How can any hacked firmware survive this type of attack when the original true vales are known for every adddress from 0x0000000 to 0xFFFFFFFF?  The original firmware must remain on the drive.

Solution: Modified firmware (not iXtreme or LT) on a daughterboard.  Using a specific factory pressed game to boot the daughterboard.  I can only think of one game disc that would work for this (there may be a few others though).  It's a bit more detailed, but you get the general idea.

Take the above for what it is.

[Keihanzo]

QUOTE(Odb718 @ Jan 13 2010, 10:29 AM)

Back ups on live is good, XBR is better.

Yeah. With Jtagged boxes among us firm hacks just get silly.

[rigger66]

Team Jungle posted a new update on their twitter page:

QUOTE

All new checks found, all fws (stealth and non-stealth) will fail these checks and get flagged for banning, except LT!

I have never read so much sh*te...........Just think about what you lot are all reading.

Read it very careful..........All new checks found Meaning they have just found them. and convieniently
LT is imune too these all new checks.   (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)  Have they had time to test LT with the all new checks found ...??   No way if you belive what they where twitting on about a month or so ago about testing testing .........This is full of shit and this team cannot be trusted ever again .........they have been proved Monkey`s once , so don`t get fooled again.

This post has been edited by rigger66: Jan 13 2010, 12:00 PM

[BanOfOct]

OK, now suppose that LT is released and needs donation for every modification, now if I got banned with LT then will I get my donation back?

[Sultans360]

interesting topic,keeps every talking about a possible fix, my own opinion is detection is done by reading the mid code on the backup disc, unless you can get the drive to fake or not read the code ms will still be able to detect backups cos pressed discs dont have or have a different code, just try with any backup in dvd speed etc, and if you can read it i an sure ms can, the conclusion is that all backups will never be safe for online. Ah but earlier drives are ok you say well ok but maybe ms and drive makers didnt code the checks into the firmware, how many people would update the drive, you would get a firmware update option on the game and knowing that your drive is getting flashed/checked would instantly either cripple (probably illegal) or log the drive for banning then would you update?? so many options and combinations for ms and drive makers its always gonna be a cat mouse game with all the risk on people who flash drives and play online.

[Sick0]

WTF is up with you people and your conspiracy theories?
What the text says is that they have found all new checks and that LT is safe from these checks.
Nobody said they haven't tested against these checks, you morons.

And besides that, be a little bit more grateful you whining bitches. You were all able to play online for about 3-4 years and not pay any money for games. You better show some respect to TJ and C4e. But I guess respect is something the youth lacks these days.

My 2 cents...

PS: And the stupid twats talking about donations, I have not ever seen Team Jungle ask for a donation, so STFU.

@rigger66, I am so anxiously awaiting YOUR firmware. When can we expect it? Since you seem to know all about it.. lame ass..

This post has been edited by Sick0: Jan 13 2010, 12:08 PM

[BoNg420]

Why do you people think they are gonna make you donate to get LT.

You think they would be able to work something out where pirates have to pay them?

One person would pay for the FW, then it would be all over the place.  So I doubt they will have something schemed like that.

[Takashi]

Basically Alex Jones spawned from a single line of text, lol    

[rigger66]

QUOTE(Sick0 @ Jan 13 2010, 11:05 AM)

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PS: And the stupid twats talking about donations, I have not ever seen Team Jungle ask for a donation, so STFU.

@rigger66, I am so anxiously awaiting YOUR firmware. When can we expect it? Since you seem to know all about it.. lame ass..

Fw I don`t need it.    (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
 
Just stating the Fact`s and if that rattles your cage ...so be it.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[SpikeMage]

So some of you seem to be confused about this whole modded console on live thing so I'm gona break it down for you.

Check it.

You will never be safe playing a modded console on live. Ever. LT is not your savior. Don't forget you're playing on Microsoft's system and on their network. We've survived by hiding from them, by running from them. But they are  the gatekeepers. They are guarding all the doors, they are holding all  the keys. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

This post has been edited by SpikeMage: Jan 13 2010, 12:17 PM

[Skevus]

QUOTE(astrosaber3 @ Jan 13 2010, 11:40 AM)

Agreed!

People need to realize M$ designed/developed the 360.  They know how to poll the DVD drive and read the firmware.  

Think about it, you can download a simple utility for Win XP that "polls" your PCs DVD/CD drive and reveals the firmware rev and everything else about the PC's DCD/CD sata drive.  How is the 360 different?  M$ contracts venders to make the drive for them, as a custom built drive, M$ tells the manufacture what op-codes to use.

50 lines of assember code in the kernel can poll the 360 drive to read the vender code, once the vender is known, read 0x0045601.  If return 0Ah, this is untouched f/w, exit.  If return <> 0Ah, firmware is modified and jump to 0x0069696 to flag console as "modified".  All M$ will do is compare original firmware vs hacked (any version) and if one byte is data is different, tag the console for ban.

Every DVD drive from the different manufacturers would have different data in the same hex address, that's why the drive is polled to find out the vender first.  What, we have 4 or 5 different manufactures of drives so far?

Spoofing specific data ranges has been done for years and years with the satellite hackers.  Every attempt to spoof the data has failed in the long run.  The only people that survived the hit  from the satellite providers were the people that custom spoofed using different memory ranges to hide their hacked code.

Why has certain unstealthed versions of f/w remain off M$ radar and not been banned?  Unstealthed modified firmware has hardly any code changes from the original firmware for one - this could be one reason.  Another reason could be M$ just screwing with us purposly not banning this specific firmware to throw us off trying to figure out what cryteria/method is being used to detect modded f/w.

Unfortunally I see the new liton LT getting hit just like the other firmwares.  Remember the DVD drive firmware can be polled and any address from 0x00000000 to 0xFFFFFFFF can be read.  How can any hacked firmware survive this type of attack when the original true vales are known for every adddress from 0x0000000 to 0xFFFFFFFF?  The original firmware must remain on the drive.

Solution: Modified firmware (not iXtreme or LT) on a daughterboard.  Using a specific factory pressed game to boot the daughterboard.  I can only think of one game disc that would work for this (there may be a few others though).  It's a bit more detailed, but you get the general idea.

Take the above for what it is.

You can only read the key from LiteON, if you want to read the whole firmware you need to modify the hardware.

Microsofts mistake is that they used so many different drives and all the drives have different security for reading the firmware. You need special chipset for some drives, another drive has to be open while reading the Firmware, LiteOn need to be half Open to read the key and the earliest Lite On need to be opened to read the Key. Microsofts own security makes this impossible for microsoft. They rather have a secure drive then a drive you could flash without opening the 360. The earliest Hitachi-LG were possible to read/write without any security, they made the security better with the 78/79 modell, However the most 360's with a Hitachi-LG has died the RROD death. So everything since Samsung Ms 28 is to secure for them to read with only software....

[Drefsab]

Where is the idea that people have to donate for LT coming from? is it just wild rumour or has it been officially said that will be the case? I don't really think you can hold much stock in rumours tbh.

I don't get how that would work you would just pay for it (forced payment cant be called a donation) once, then you just do a full firmware dump and hex/spoof the dump with every other key you need. Then surely someone will just upload a dumped/cleaned version and thus no one has to pay for it again.

Don't get me wrong id be happy to donate a little towards the guy's that make these firmware's they work hard and I get my games free so win win for me I just don't see how they would enforce a pay per drive system.

[Sick0]

QUOTE(rigger66 @ Jan 13 2010, 01:13 PM)

Fw I don`t need it.    (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
 
Just stating the Fact`s and if that rattles your cage ...so be it.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

If you don't need the fw then please stop spreading wild rumors in a fw thread...

[Tom-Soja]

QUOTE(astrosaber3 @ Jan 13 2010, 11:40 AM)

Agreed!

People need to realize M$ designed/developed the 360.  They know how to poll the DVD drive and read the firmware.  

Think about it, you can download a simple utility for Win XP that "polls" your PCs DVD/CD drive and reveals the firmware rev and everything else about the PC's DCD/CD sata drive.  How is the 360 different?  M$ contracts venders to make the drive for them, as a custom built drive, M$ tells the manufacture what op-codes to use.

50 lines of assember code in the kernel can poll the 360 drive to read the vender code, once the vender is known, read 0x0045601.  If return 0Ah, this is untouched f/w, exit.  If return <> 0Ah, firmware is modified and jump to 0x0069696 to flag console as "modified".  All M$ will do is compare original firmware vs hacked (any version) and if one byte is data is different, tag the console for ban.

Every DVD drive from the different manufacturers would have different data in the same hex address, that's why the drive is polled to find out the vender first.  What, we have 4 or 5 different manufactures of drives so far?

Spoofing specific data ranges has been done for years and years with the satellite hackers.  Every attempt to spoof the data has failed in the long run.  The only people that survived the hit  from the satellite providers were the people that custom spoofed using different memory ranges to hide their hacked code.

Why has certain unstealthed versions of f/w remain off M$ radar and not been banned?  Unstealthed modified firmware has hardly any code changes from the original firmware for one - this could be one reason.  Another reason could be M$ just screwing with us purposly not banning this specific firmware to throw us off trying to figure out what cryteria/method is being used to detect modded f/w.

Unfortunally I see the new liton LT getting hit just like the other firmwares.  Remember the DVD drive firmware can be polled and any address from 0x00000000 to 0xFFFFFFFF can be read.  How can any hacked firmware survive this type of attack when the original true vales are known for every adddress from 0x0000000 to 0xFFFFFFFF?  The original firmware must remain on the drive.

Solution: Modified firmware (not iXtreme or LT) on a daughterboard.  Using a specific factory pressed game to boot the daughterboard.  I can only think of one game disc that would work for this (there may be a few others though).  It's a bit more detailed, but you get the general idea.

Take the above for what it is.

hey dude i thought it is not possible to read out the firmware from the xbox if the drive is not in vendor mode, so ms cant not detect the code, (if they could that they would simply overwrite older firmware or had tested it in the last time). if they are free enugh to code what they want the drive can output all data what they want.

teamjungle/c4eva: why so much advertise release it if its ready