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[BoNg420]

QUOTE(akijikan @ Jan 13 2010, 08:15 AM)

This is the biggest bunch of bull.  Tell me how I have to 1.61 consoles on live that aren't banned eh?  Team Jungle can go to hell.

 It is believed that MS doesn't ban you the second they detect you, but yet they may collect data on you for a few months before they ban your ass.   So that being said 1.61 has not been out long, but you probably can expect a ban by spring time.  

This is the reason LT could take so long to be tested, just because they do this testing now and don't get banned, doesn't mean that the consoles they tested wont get banned down the road.

In a nutshell noone that works for MS has leaked information on their banning strategy.  Therefore it leaves hacking teams in the dark as they are guessing how the detections are done.  So using a hacked firmware on live will never be 100% safe because the hackers can't combat MS's detection system directly since they are making guesses.

[uk_garf]

lets face it 1 360 for live and "cough" 1 360 for offline is the only sure fire safe way to go

[dradra]

QUOTE(Skevus @ Jan 13 2010, 08:03 AM)

Your only able to play originals on some old non stealth Firmware without being banned. The 4 Newest iXtreme don't matter if you play originals or copies on Live. With the 2 newest kernell it deosn't matter if you play on live or offline, if you play offline your 360 will be flagged and it will be banned as soon you connect to Live. The idea for LT came from the old non stealth Firmwares since people with old firmware playing only originals weren't banned this time.
With the new LT you will have to splitvid all your games manually and correct the kreon error manually also. It was acctually this addones that microsoft were checking for. So you will be 100% safe playing originals on live and about 40-50% safe playing backups with LT. If you know what your doing you can be 90% safe with backups also, however you will have to check every game manually and you can get banned because of just "ONE" Game even if you play offline. So LT isn't for everybody, if your unsure how to make your backups you should stick to originals....

So basically MS checks for splitvid patch in the ixtreme firmware (Different timmings maybe)  since iextreme always redirect layer 1 video partiton to layer 0?

When you mean Kreon Error, you mean the iextreme 1.4 error, it was not debunked as good rips, but a firmware error in the rounding? Could you give more info on that.

Finally, since you know a lot of stuff  did you know if the activate 0800 removes the splitvid redirection on lastest firmware? if so, those patched unstealth iextreme firmware should be the more safe bet if the above conditions are meet on the backups?

[OTSS]

QUOTE(uk_garf @ Jan 13 2010, 06:44 AM)

lets face it 1 360 for live and "cough" 1 360 for offline is the only sure fire safe way to go

Exactly and I mean how many games do you actually play on live regularly? Before I was banned I played all my copied games online to check it out. Out of all of them I only played like 2-3 online regularly. I now have 1 xbox that achievements will not carry over from because it is banned. I also have a soon to be banned as soon as I connect to xbox live box that I keep for offline play and will still transfer achievements. I also have a never modified xbox that I use for online. I buy the 2-3 games maybe 4-5 depending on how good a year it is that I actually play online. This way all the big single player games that come out I just copy and play offline and all the big multiplayer ones, I buy.

[niai]

wow who said any one had to pay

stop the bitching as the people that do this have a life to and work on it when they can they dont have to

as do all you want some thing that hasnt been tested that will ban you cos if thy dont test all the same people saying shit bout them will be i told you this is shit thy needed to test more

if i was them i would not releas it know that its not appreciated

and keep in mind that M$ log your offline playing so if you are running an unsafe firmware now then use the new lt its pointless as M$ have all that incriminating data on you
M$ will ban all at one so that they can get as menny people as they can at once

you dont have to donate and if you do it will probably not make things go any faster there just saying if you really think we should have money for what we do then give us some if you dont then dont we dont mind and thats the way it should be (i am more inclined to donate to things like that and have done)


but if you demand money then i dont think that people should pay (there not doing that) as in the case of a lot of the homebrew coming out if you go to the freexex website  http://freexex.xboxapps.org/ there guilt you in to donate i think that wrong

these people are spending money but this is also there hobby thy have fun doing it and just like every one who has one thy pay for it and know thy have to pay for it


so bottom line is you should donate but not cos your being told to not cos you think it will speed things up not if you being guilted in to it
but if you want to can afford to and think that they deserve it


:EDIT:
sorry i for got

and a big FUCK YOU to all the people hating on them

plus all the people pirating get a life you bitching that you can not play a game you didnt pay for on live this make no seance at all and on top of that you dont think that this team should get your money to you need to start living in the real world

[shivadow]

You don't need Xbox Live if you venture into the outside world more often. You end up paying MS money to ban you and then they keep your cash. If you want a social life, put your controller down and open the front door of your house, take a few steps forward and say 'hi' to your neighbours.

As for the donations, if I remember correctly there was a time when they tried to screw everyone for cash when they sold the unlocking procedure for the Lite-On to a website. Fair enough they do deserve some cash for the hard work involved but earning cash for something illegal brings massive consequences. Not only does it bring responsibility for anything that goes wrong but it also brings liability for selling copyrighted material for personal gain.

In a nutshell, if they charge for this and MS pursues it, C4E and the jungle team or anyone who takes a penny from it can be jailed for circumventing security procedures designed to protect digital media, someone's intellectual property, and MS's multi billion dollar investment called Xbox-Live and gaining from the proceeds.

The fact that MS only bans consoles from Xbox Live without persuing the owner is itself an act of lenience as it is a prosecutable offence.

When it comes to copyright laws the laws are international NOT region/country based as people think. This is what makes them carry a heavy penalty.

[HotKnife420]

QUOTE(Tha @ Jan 13 2010, 09:51 AM)

MS will ban everyone eventually from xboxlive, it's THEIR machine, how the hell do people think that it is "save" because a couple of guys say so.

 Just because they made it, doesn't mean they know everything about it. If they did, we would never have had the wonderful security holes that have been patched. Do you think they just leave holes in their work so someone can hack it as a form of job security?

 Bottom line, it's always been (and always will be) a cat and mouse game. They have a hole, we find and exploit it, they patch/ban. Rinse and repeat.

QUOTE(idog @ Jan 13 2010, 11:17 AM)

So if they make it a paid service and charge per firmware, it will be a (very short) matter of time before all the LT hacked firmwares are out in the wild, thereby destroying their business model.

 IIRC, the proposed method for the 'business model' was to make a type of key encryption that the f/w would decrypt and report to the console, but you wouldn't be able to encrypt/decrypt yourself.

[dradra]

QUOTE(Skevus @ Jan 13 2010, 10:03 AM)

I deppends on your Kernell/Dashboard to, I am not sure if it's only the latest or the 2 latest. They also  had some test before in earlier kernells/dashboards putting a log on the hardrive however this didn't really work for them and they had to be sure nobody got banned who borrowed a hardrive so this made the log quite large and detectable. However in the Latest Kernell they put a mini log in the flash itself, it doesn't matter if you used a different hardrive or memory card when you were playing offline. Microsoft were trying alot of things and thats why it made alot of people confused. and it also deppends which iXtreme you were using offline since they looked for the splitvid patching in the firmware so some firmware before the splitvid patching were safe offline, atleast with originals. There aslo are the "Living Dead", people banned that don't know about it, it's random people with all diffrent configurations just to confuse the rest of us, they will be banned someday when somebody else takes their "Living Dead" place. They are not many, maybe 10% of people banned. It's easyer to find out what microsoft is looking for if they would kick people out straight away, it's better to flagg them wait 2-3 months and confuse them. People never think it was something they done 2-3 months ago. They always think it most have been something the days before they got kicked out.

It's why it took this long time to be sure what microsoft are doing and make an iXtreme LT, it's because you have to think in 4D. at least 4 months in the past and 2 months into the future. Microsoft are doing 5 differnet things in the same time. However with their splitvid patch check we know they are gripping at straws and the iXtreme LT will be quite safe if the backups are right....

What about erasing that log from the flash before going to live in a form of revirginization. Did you know which is the name of the log file in the flash?

[rastaman108037]

QUOTE(niai @ Jan 13 2010, 09:02 AM)

wow who said any one had to pay

stop the bitch....blah blah blah someone rubbed sand in my vag

Quit whining. You don't see anybody in the PSP scene begging for handouts. No, they release software to us for free because they want the community to grow. They actually care about their modding community. If c4e cared, he would have at least investigated his firmware when people had shown him there were clear differences in xbox live logs. You really think these "donations" are going to be optional? Yeah, in the sense that you getting the LT firmware is also optional.

Die in a fire. In fact, die in a fire twice.

[Bushvar]

QUOTE(tomgreen99200 @ Jan 13 2010, 09:03 AM)

I think Team Jungle is starting to loose some credibility, even if they are xbox 360 firmware legends. I mean come on, they said the firmware was complete on 11/30/09 and now it seems all they are doing is teasing people. Does anyone even have any additional information to back this up or should we just take their word for it. At this point i don't really care, ill keep playing on LIVE till i get banned again and when that happens ill do it again !

could'nt agree more! ppl who whing and whine about being band and coming out with stuff like fuck MS i'm going to Sony should think of the fact of how much money they are saving on games through the year and stop whinging and just buy a new console.

I'm totaly with tomgreen on this one as he think the same as me. Saved $100's on games through the year, get banned and go buy a new 360 and do it all over again and again

[xboxjason]

I have no problem paying for LT as long as Team Jungle has no problem refunding me when I get banned. lol

[BoNg420]

QUOTE(shivadow @ Jan 13 2010, 09:08 AM)

The fact that MS only bans consoles from Xbox Live without persuing the owner is itself an act of lenience as it is a prosecutable offence.

When it comes to copyright laws the laws are international NOT region/country based as people think. This is what makes them carry a heavy penalty.

Well they might just not have enough evidence to prosecute and if they did they would have to revel their methods in court to show proof these people are playing illegitimate games.  Then the numbers of people who have a modded xbox 360, would be insane to chase that many people.

Look at it this way.  Those who pirate games, they would of (most likely) never been customers anyway.  There are so many people doing this now, has to be over a million people out there with modded xbox's considering how many have been banned and then bought new consoles and modded them.  MS is just fighting a losing battle.  Piracy is on the grow, if it isnt video games, its music, movies, or software being pirated and tons of people are doing it.  I would say at least 70% of the population has stolen/pirated a video game, movie or software and then when you think about it, how many people have copied music.  Think about it ever since cassette tapes, people have been able to copy music without buying it.

The video game, music, and movie industries need a big change if they want to combat theft of IP/piracy/etc.  For one the economy is absolute shit.  If games were more reasonable say $30, then they might get more people actually buying them.  Music is overpriced, movies are over priced.  Music cds should be like $5, movies in DVD form should be $5-10 and blurays $15ish range.  If they had more realistic prices, they could have more potential customers then thieves.  

It almost seems no matter what these industries do, piracy always finds a way.  Hackers always find a hole through security and makes it easy for the average joe to  pirate what they want.

[Ranger72]

QUOTE(Drefsab @ Jan 13 2010, 06:15 AM)

Where is the idea that people have to donate for LT coming from? is it just wild rumour or has it been officially said that will be the case? I don't really think you can hold much stock in rumours tbh.

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=697967

[DemisesAngel]

Kimberly-Clark's stock should be booming with all the cry babies on this board. It's been said multiple times in the past, homebrew / hacking was starting for the fun of it to see if it could be done. Now I can understand if someone (or group) asks for donations, but if they simply say "donate" (or pay) and you'll get your files or software, then no thanks, but no mention of donating or paying has been spoken about, so I propose a STFU Order to those who are still ignorant.

[Mr_Milenko]

I'm sorry but I find it funny that people are willing to purchase a "License" or donate, or pay for a service to get a modded drive with "LT".. Are you all fucking retarded? I can see it now, if in fact a license system is set into play or the pay-for-flash service etc, You're gonna be good for a few months then all of a sudden you wont be on live anymore, then you will be back here crying about how you paid for the FW and it failed, most likely asking for your money back.. Which won't happen. This is what you all fail to realise is it's EXTREMELY illegal, Microsoft can sue the hell out of each and everyone of you Firmware users.. If you are going to pay money to see a project grow donate to a homebrew dev team, or to an opensource project.. not to a firmware group that can't guarantee shit and then hides from view making updates via the worlds gayest txt messaging service...