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[amak1131]

QUOTE(iglitare @ Nov 30 2009, 05:03 AM)

why are all people sure that every time a new method would be found?

For example i can´t see any old or new method at the PS3.
I can´t see any method at NDS or Nagra2 neither.

There are certain things that are unhackable.

As stated, I guess these were hackec (I never heard of them before), but "unhackable" and "is it worth my time?" are 2 different matters.

Looks like progress is being made on this:D Great job, everyone involved!

[bonneville1992]

QUOTE(coedshowers @ Nov 30 2009, 09:55 PM)

sounds to me like they will make a chip socket that you push over the chip like they did Wii mod chips in earlier days.. then it will have a connector for a pc sata plug ( for the 3.3v  use sata orange wire ) and have a switch ontop of the chip/socket.

seems kind of easy to make i would think. just depends on if you could use a socket adaptor ontop of the chip or if you must cut the wires to make it work..  if the chip pins didnt have to be disconnected from the board well.. like i said it wouldnt be too hard to make a  chip socket overlay with a switch and a sata male adaptor..

might even be able to make a pass through adaptor for the dvd-power.. im not at home so i dont have my multimeter with me to check the  360 rom power cable. ..

i do hope someone makes a snap on device or some easier way to hack the new ones..
i myself have done a lot of 83850c ( newer ones ) i still think they are a pain in the ass compared to others..
i'm just going to wait for the new firmware to come out before i try any of these newer liteon drives.. its just too much hassle if i'm going to have to re-flash it again in a few weeks.

  Only problem with a snap on device is that you would have to remove all that epoxy stuff for it to go over the controller if that is the idea, would be a tremenous pain in the ass though. but i'm sure someone will make something. These guys are amazing at what they do, just blows me away how they figure this shit out.

[Aldanga]

QUOTE(caster420 @ Nov 30 2009, 02:39 PM)

I can tell you with all certainty, this is not how the firmware has been retrieved to date. One individual in Team Jungle has spent a tremendous amount of time, money and numerous drives in retrieving multiple decaps of each drive revision.  Although he remains anonymous at this time unless he chooses to come forward, we should not detract from the hard work he has done in making lite-on iXtreme possible.

Iriez is not referring to this method of dumping but rather the information the Geremia posted in the initial post of that thread.  He discussed when access to the flash is made possible.  This information has been known since the original lite-on and was kept private.  

As Geremia outlined in his own post, this was initially explored and not pursued further because it seemed to be a dead-end road.  Thanks to TMF, we now have a working method for it.

Caster.

Very interesting. I know it was stated previously that the drive had to be decapped and analyzed, but I wasn't sure what to believe when Iriez seemed to state something completely different. Iriez wasn't very clear in his answer, but his adrenaline was probably pumping at that point--as it seems to have been since this information was made known.

I can't totally fault Iriez for wanting to keep this private and "protect the scene" (whatever that means) but I'm not as worried as he seems to be about drives being unhackable. People thought the LiteOns were the end of 360 modding. I can't count how many times I read or heard people saying, "The LiteOn will never be hacked. It's impossible." As long as humans are designing the chips or the machines that design the chips there will be holes and errors; and those errors will be exploitable in some form or another.

[quantex]

Great news.
Thanks for all involved.

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QUOTE(bonneville1992 @ Nov 30 2009, 11:16 PM)

Only problem with a snap on device is that you would have to remove all that epoxy stuff for it to go over the controller if that is the idea, would be a tremenous pain in the ass though. but i'm sure someone will make something. These guys are amazing at what they do, just blows me away how they figure this shit out.

Not really, there is already a method of doing this mod from the back of motherboard, and so no reason to remove any epoxy. The only problem arises with the tracks that have to be cut in the process, but I'm sure there will be an alternate way to this.

[green360]

QUOTE([email protected] @ Nov 30 2009, 11:42 PM)

Not really, there is already a method of doing this mod from the back of motherboard, and so no reason to remove any epoxy. The only problem arises with the tracks that have to be cut in the process, but I'm sure there will be an alternate way to this.

yes it's very good this alternatives points to dump the whole firmware of liteons , & the tracks to cut still the only problem to make a very easy method to dump the FW like it was with liteon 74 key with needle's method : dump your liteon firmware for free
I hope we will see in the few days coming a made-home tool to dump the firmware without soldering any thing in the PCB  using needles    
good night

[xboxpirate11]

ok, so i just got done reading all 7 pages, mainly the first 6 and skim'd the 7th.   So from what understand, this is just to dump the original firmware with key included of course.

so in the past, we can "erase lite-on" and write with jungle flasher without this new method.  

So is it possible for someone with more experience do this method to obtain the stock firmware and share with with others?  Then we can just spoof the key from our dummy bin, erase and write back the original firmware?

[gronned]

This sounds awesome. I didn't buy a 360 because you couldn't flash it yet. However, as a noob, I'd like to know a thing or two.

1. Is soldering required, or do you think it will eventually be possible to flash without soldering?
2. Is there anything else that needs consideration before accomplishing this?

[Traviss63]

Saying a drive is mod-proof just doesn't ring like it used to... I hardly think twice when a new drive comes out and its... dun dun duuuuuh UN-MODDABLE  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)  Give it time and someone, somewhere figures it out.
Mad Kudos to all involved!

[Toddler]

QUOTE(caster420 @ Nov 30 2009, 02:39 PM)

I can tell you with all certainty, this is not how the firmware has been retrieved to date.

- snip -

Caster.

Thanks for clearing that up.  The verbal sparring over at XBH is interesting, but it reminds me that it's usually best not to ask how the sausage is made.

[kiwimods]

QUOTE(rommy667 @ Dec 1 2009, 09:22 AM)

antz1970 thanks for the sound advice m8,guess I will wait it out and hope a simpler method shows up

that method is pretty simply, much easier than removing epoxy or decaping chips.

anyway you can load the dump of your firmware into jungle flasher target and it gives you your keys etc, you can even read the firmware with jungle flasher if you want.

power on drive with switch in pos 1 linking to ground.

send vendor intro device id

once vendor intro has been completed status 72 will exist, then you can flick the switch and then press read button in jungle flasher. save. easy as pie.
works will all drives even 93xxx it will not load as source you will have to use that key and serial number in the 83xx firmware and hex edit a bit.

ps this method has been around for a while, well actually it was slightly more complicated, i found out about it when i found that v2 83 drive, but was told to keep my mouth shut so more drives could hit the market. fair enough. however Microsoft would have know that this drive was hacked as that first 83v2 i found because it got banned from xbox live around 3 weeks ago. they would have know it had the new unmoddable drive in it, also they are aware of the way to exploit these drives before we are so no point getting nickers in a twist.

i can say without mentioning names that some members wanted to keep secret for financial gain with foundmy solution and others wanted to keep it secret so that more drives could hit the market, which was actually most members opinion

as far as im concerned, if someone spends hours trying to hack a drive and they finally figure it out then they should be able to charge a fee or ask a donation for a small time, then release to the public domain. keeping it secret to prevent microsft finding out is bull shit though. the know man they know.

[doop]

The ball is back on the field and the modders are running with it..

going to dump mine just for the hell of it.. cant believe its already been simplified to this level..  

[playerman]

Can someone dump all versions of unmodified liteon's and give them for download for the people who want to flash their drives to stock?? Thanks

[bananisch]

are comin
be @ work

[stacker69]

QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Dec 1 2009, 06:39 AM)

Yes soldering was required.

Thanks Ranger72!!!! I'm gonna get a conductive pen and look for a fine point soldering iron this weekend and I'll give it a go!