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[Muzzakus]

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, but based on that IRC transcript, it would seem ABGX can not be trusted on top of the firmware issue?

Looks like we need to wait for 2 things to happen.  New firmware, and a new database.  Ripping your own is always an option

[Perkele]

QUOTE(evlspcmk @ Nov 10 2009, 07:30 AM)

hello im a small time modder here in Australia, ive done probably around 70 360s (i keep the top sheilding of the case as a trophy also helps me keep count)

When you flash 70 xbox 360's, you're not a small time modder, imo.
What's the use of taking away the shielding?

[dangerpaki]

QUOTE(Kevin Sydney @ Nov 10 2009, 08:08 AM)

ok...in IRC a couple people are saying im reading into this too much, but i think im reading it properly...
based on the highlighted it sounds like with the previous firmwares it was possible to see if the drive was flashed or not, it also says "no more bans" which means the firmware WAS the reason for these recent bans...

Don;t you think that if firmware was detectable that all modded consoles would have been banned immediately?
I think that C4E means the following:

1) new firmware is coming with minimal changes needed and more efficient
2) note he is saying undistinguishable in ALL aspects: meaning not detectable by MS if you send back you xbox for repair
3) AND no more bannings: Probably he is going to implement some kind of system either disabling the use of bad backups or giving good info to MS even if the backup is bad.

QUOTE(_burb_on_ @ Nov 10 2009, 08:19 AM)

FAIL...

"Sorry. ixtreme all versions is/are detectable or their behavior is detectable therefore hence a new FW is being worked on. For those with ixtreme I would advice no further use of 360 until this firmware is released. Until then, god bless 360scene. No technical data was being as to WHY its being detected all of a sudden."

Well I might be wrong there then

QUOTE(krawhitham @ Nov 10 2009, 08:27 AM)

Its a BS statement, I've never booted a backup and got hit by this ban wave

Then why did you mod your console?

QUOTE(civicracer1692 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:46 AM)

Its painfully obvious that the FW is what MS is detecting, I have a buddy who's 360 I modded with Xecuter.... He brought it home and played arcade games while waiting for his backups to finish and his Verbatims to be shipped. He was banned the next day. No backup (or retails for that matter) ever entered his drive, drive wasnt flashed from 360 power, There is no other factor than the fact that MS was able to test his DVD drive and diagnose it as a modded 360.

1+1=2

problem solved. No more speculation, dont go online with your modded 360 unless you want the banhammer.

Still MS could not detect all I think, otherwise they would have banned all modded consoles. Or it is a trick to keep people thinking the FW is not detectable. And have people buy expensive accessories meanwhile.

QUOTE(GamerBR @ Nov 10 2009, 10:22 AM)

c4eva is hiding something or bluffing.He first said that FW was not detectable,and he believed the problem was with warez releases,if he discovered the answer,for the FW make any difference,he was wrong at first and now is hiding the reason the banning.Or he is just bluffing.

And why would he do that? He is not gonna tell the reason or way he is gonna patch it because MS might interfere. I can;t understand why people start talking trash so easily even after years of service to the community of a certain person. If you don't like his way of working than don;t mod, just go buy your games. He warns everytime that you can be banned.
I think MS have been working hard and have found a way to hack into their own drives and read the firmware of the drive. Something they were not able to do normally. Well of course if they start hacking their own drive then they can create several ways for themselves to read out firmware and ban consoles. But no one was expecting that. So now we know the firmware will be changed so that even is MS reads out using this new way that you do not get detected.

When C4E said the firmware is undetectable he was right. Because it was undetectable at that time when MS used those tactics to detect it. Now MS is using new tactics.

Well I'll just go on and play on my PS3 now. Happy I sold my Xbox360 a couple of months ago

[littlestevie360]

QUOTE(Perkele @ Nov 10 2009, 08:42 PM)

What's the use of taking away the shielding?

To make it non complient with ADR? 0.o seems kind of silly to be honest

[logicwatch]

QUOTE(Perkele @ Nov 10 2009, 10:42 AM)

When you flash 70 xbox 360's, you're not a small time modder, imo.
What's the use of taking away the shielding?

to collect as a trophy and help him keep count !  

[dbdsneaky]

QUOTE(xbox990 @ Nov 10 2009, 11:55 AM)

The questions were of a personal nature but the answer received will help alot of people, the news post stated 'this is what’s happening' but had no information about 'what people should do for now' and its been answered.

On a note to regarding the topic, if the FW is the cause of the problem then no one should be blaming C4 at the end of the day he’s not guarantied any of the work and has done so much for the community.

Again, thanks goes to C4!

people were merely commenting origionally about a contradiction in his posts thats all.!

one was saying ixtreme is undetectable the other saying no more bans!

this tells me in my own opinion he knew it was possible to be detected due to firmware, now i mod and i play and im lucky to yet no ban on x2 my consoles but 4 of my recent flashed / reflashed ones banned.

No complaints fropm me ive had more than a fair run and so do my m8s and im gratefull for his efforts and looking forward to having the nu F/W release to play without ISO.activate but remember the origioanl reason we started answering to this thread was that origional issue

[Sick0]

QUOTE(markyk1974 @ Nov 10 2009, 11:19 AM)

I'm running a hitachi with 1.51, taken all the usual safety measures and i'm banned

Probably not then, check your backups.. There must be a corrupt one somewhere in between.
My Hitachi Xbox has been offline for the last year, no backups played on it at all.
I have been playing NFS Shift since Saturday on that box (since my other xbox got banned) and there is no problem with the Xbox whatsoever. It happily logs onto Live and I can play games with my buddies.

EDIT: One of my friends is also running 1.51 on a Lite-On and has not been banned. So it has to do with faulty backups and most likely iXtreme 1.6

This post has been edited by Sick0: Nov 10 2009, 11:56 AM

[warbeast]

it does look like the best way to go is to have a very basic as close to retail fw as can be done to stop any bad response bug ms can find i have always thought this thats why i've never used 1.6 i used a hiachi just for the sake of 1.51 i dont get why anyone needs wave checks in the fw when you should already have it checked on the disk it makes more sense  to just check a game rather then open the 360 every time a new wave is out.

now the only problem is without these extra features in the fw we need to make double sure the rips are 100% xbgx needs to be checked and more strick ive heared of them using scene releases in the database

[am0k]

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more efficient , minimal patching, all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA!

^^^ I suspect this is the key. Too many bad rips/incorrectly patched games. Sounds to me like the new firmware will do more to protect the console from giving away too much when bad rips/incorrectly patched games are used.

There's nothing here to suggest that the firware itself is somehow now readable or detectable.

[The Dude Z]

QUOTE(dbdsneaky @ Nov 10 2009, 05:54 AM)

people were merely commenting origionally about a contradiction in his posts thats all.!

one was saying ixtreme is undetectable the other saying no more bans!

this tells me in my own opinion he knew it was possible to be detected due to firmware, now i mod and i play and im lucky to yet no ban on x2 my consoles but 4 of my recent flashed / reflashed ones banned.

No complaints fropm me ive had more than a fair run and so do my m8s and im gratefull for his efforts and looking forward to having the nu F/W release to play without ISO.activate but remember the origioanl reason we started answering to this thread was that origional issue

Depending on how MS does this new check maybe he found a check that MS was doing only at specific times and maybe that check pertained to getting at the drives Firmware .
He does Xbox Live logs to see what they are looking for.
And it's entirely possible that MS trying to keep the new check unknown or hidden from modders would do this check at specific times only.
Catch as many as possible at once and flag them for the next ban wave then return to it's typical detection methods so it would have hopefully never been found in a xbox live log.
Then some time later a rinse and repeat of the same tactics.
Maybe he just happened to find it in a live log that he just happened to do at the right time for the benefit of people who just want to blame him and call him names.
To Just assume he is a liar is pretty dumb.
Show this man some respect because he owes you nothing in fact I would say the community owes him !

This post has been edited by The Dude Z: Nov 10 2009, 12:17 PM

[litecoder]

The reason they haven't banned everyone who has ixtreme is because they dont want the pirates to know that they can detect FW, so they ban randomly, thats my guess.

[troublebreathing]

I don't understand how after all these years he's all of the sudden got the magical perfect firmware.
Now trust me, I REALLY appreciate everything C4Eva's done for the modding scene. I just think you guys are all blowing this way out of proportion.

Oh, and I think it's a pretty big stretch to say he admitted that the firmware is what is detectable by his statement... not that it isn't, but it's kind of dumb to assume that he meant that.

[catman25]

its amazing to see some people complaining ! even if its the firmware fault why you got banned think about the fact that you knew this could happen !not trying to start a war here, but the fact someone could make a firmware to read backups is amazing ! i know i couldnt do it ! im lucky i can mod boxes while reading a tutorial while doing it. there is alotta cup half full people on here    I say thanks c4eva

[pigbait]

Everyone who has nothing good to say to c4eva should STFU and say thank you. That is all we need fro
 you.:..

BIG THANKS c4eva and team you saved me big.....

[JohnnyBigodes]

QUOTE(pigbait @ Nov 10 2009, 12:36 PM)

Everyone who has nothing good to say to c4eva should STFU and say thank you. That is all we need fro
 you.:..

BIG THANKS c4eva and team you saved me big.....

My Words.

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